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    Posted: May 27 2008 at 02:55
Shooting off on a tangent from all the 'best of ...' discussions, I was wondering if you could name albums that follow the following criteria:
 
Is there any band or artist that has released a string of albums you really enjoy and right there, slap bang in the middle of these jems there stands the one sore thumb, the mother of all turkeys that you just can't believe this band ever released, it's that bad?
 
I'm not talking about a band changing direction during their career and thereby falling from grace, but just this one significant dip, that you just can't understand.
 
As an example: I'll never get over Ian Anderson's 'Walk into Light', Deep Purple's 'Slaves and Masters',  Gentle Giant's 'Giant for a Day', and (saving the best until last) Genesis' 'Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
 
I wonder if '90125' or 'Big Generator' are going to be mentioned? Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2008 at 15:40
Classic 'sore thumbs in a Simpsons episode' must be:

"Love Beach" by ELP (although most people might say that the preceding Works Volumes 1 and 2 precipitated this)

"Get Your Dog Off Me' by scottish proggers Beggars Opera was pop/rock shlock after 3 very good albums

"Dance With Arthur Brown' by erm.... Arthur Brown, was just an embarrassment to the great man's legacy




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2008 at 16:07
Pain of Salvation - Scarsick
Metallica - St. Anger
Helloween - Chameleon
Queen - Hot Space
The Flower Kings - Adam & Eve
Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime II

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2008 at 16:09
Kate Bush's Red Shoes springs to mind. It's not really such an awful album, it's just significantly less brilliant than the rest of her work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2008 at 16:13
Marillion: Radiation, Holidays in Eden --- They don't but both only have 1 or 2 really good songs. Everything else is just kinda ok (or horrible, depending on yer disposition toward Marillion)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 03:38
The Pixies - Bossanova.   Doolittle, Surfer Rosa, even Tromp le Monde were great.  This album stands out due to its horrible "VERY 80s sounding" production  mostly.  Which is odd because it was released in the early 90s and their first two albums and EP have such sweet, raw, "non-80s" values.

Cocteau Twins - Victorialand.  Not a terrible album at all.  Its actually a good album.  However, its very lacking in that they lost their drummer which forced them to become more etheral and in my opinion a bit less interesting.  I still loved Guthrie's guitar work and the vocals, but without the drummer it just sounded so....new age-y.

U2 - The Joshua Tree.  A landmark album to so many people yet it leaves me bored and skipping most tracks.  The group went from super awesome with their first 3 albums, to mediocre (Under a Blood Red Sky) to kind of lame with the J Tree.  Achtung Baby at least picked up some slack, but JTree is filled with melodramatic stadium bores for the most part.

Pearl Jam - Pearl Jam.  A Band that started awesome and got progessively more awesome with each album then came to a halt.  This album basically condensed and compromised all their great albums into a tiny package of annoying pop songs with bad riff after bad riff.  Coincidentally, its been quite successful.

TV on the Radio - Cookie Mountain.  Their first official EP was pretty good.  Their first album was brilliant.  Their follow up was tragic.  Here was a band that seemed so promising and creative that ruined itself.  The songs became boring with an overabundance of atmospheric effects and lyrics that weren't nearly as interesting and melodies that were either not really there or just not really ear-grabbing.  It also seemed rather over produced.  Supposedly, this is the sound they had been looking for and will probably continue to go with.   The only worthwhile song was the single "wolf like me".  Hopefully, Dave Sitek's production job on the new Scarlett Johanson album isn't an indication of what the next album will sound like. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 04:42
I never thought I'd see The Lamb Lies Down or The Joshua Tree described as "turkeys", and an album with "Moments of Pleasure" on it can never be that bad.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 08:56
Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

Cocteau Twins - Victorialand.  Not a terrible album at all.  Its actually a good album.  However, its very lacking in that they lost their drummer which forced them to become more etheral and in my opinion a bit less interesting.  I still loved Guthrie's guitar work and the vocals, but without the drummer it just sounded so....new age-y.
They actually lost their bass player, Simon Raymonde. They didn't have a real drummer until the mid 90s, they used a drum machine instead. I saw them when they played at T in the Park with a real drummer (and some horrible session-type musos) and they were terrible, nothing like the Cocteau Twins of Treasure or The Spangle-Maker.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 09:28
I'd would agree about The Lamb Lies Down especially as it lies between two of their best. However they were on an alternate hit and miss phase. Wind and Wuthering is another turkey but And the There Were Three is a return to form. My other turkey would be Pawn Hearts - VDGG but I doubt many would agree.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 02:02
Originally posted by A B Negative A B Negative wrote:

Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

Cocteau Twins - Victorialand.  Not a terrible album at all.  Its actually a good album.  However, its very lacking in that they lost their drummer which forced them to become more etheral and in my opinion a bit less interesting.  I still loved Guthrie's guitar work and the vocals, but without the drummer it just sounded so....new age-y.
They actually lost their bass player, Simon Raymonde. They didn't have a real drummer until the mid 90s, they used a drum machine instead. I saw them when they played at T in the Park with a real drummer (and some horrible session-type musos) and they were terrible, nothing like the Cocteau Twins of Treasure or The Spangle-Maker.


Right right.  Its weird because they didn't have a bassist on Head Over Heels which is magnificent, but they still stuck to the more usual style rather than the much more spacial sounds of Victorialand.  I love everything they did up to Heaven of Las Vegas, after that they went downhill.    They were supposed to reunite 4 years ago for Coachella, but Fraser eventually didn't want to or something like that.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 04:09
Ok, so the idea is to find a bad album with good albums before and after....
 
Let's see.
 
Pink Floyd -- Wish You Were Here instantly springs to mind.  It's not a bad album of course, but it gets severely owned on both sides.
 
Alan Parson Project -- Pyramid should qualify.
 
Jon Anderson -- Song of Seven is definitely a piece of crap between two gems (excepting the excellent title track.)
 
Due to my recent realization that Camel -- I Can See Your House From Here isn't nearly as bad as it's reputation, Camel -- Breathless might make the list.  ELO -- Face The Music is a similarly borderline choice.
 
Peter Gabriel II is another very strong contender.
 
Genesis -- Nursery Cryme had the misfortune to be released between extremely strong albums.
 
For a far more recent example, I'd cite King Crimson -- The Construcktion of Light.
 
That hits the ones that I can think of off the top of my head.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 04:10
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I never thought I'd see The Lamb Lies Down or The Joshua Tree described as "turkeys", and an album with "Moments of Pleasure" on it can never be that bad.
 
The Joshua Tree put me off of U2.
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Bono's extramural activities put me off Bono.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 08:36
Bono's extramural activities put me off Bono.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 09:02
The unmemorable ELO II's sandwiched inbetween their classic barock 'n' roll debut, and the brilliant On the Third Day. Eldorado after that is pretty great too.

Steve Hackett's follow up to Voyage of the Acolyte's the stinker Please Don't Touch. Then he is back on track with Spectral Mornings.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 10:40
The Mars Volta's Francis the Mute is probably the most frustrating album I have ever heard, and its inbetween the brilliant De-lOused in the Comatorium and the rather good Amputechture.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 11:40
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:



Steve Hackett's follow up to Voyage of the Acolyte's the stinker Please Don't Touch. Then he is back on track with Spectral Mornings.

 
I feel the opposite: love the variety of Please Don't Touch and heard as a positive effort to distance himself from Genesis- for instance the presence of Richie Havens and two members of Kansas -   found Voyage dull
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:23
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

(saving the best until last) Genesis' 'Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
disagree
 
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

Pink Floyd -- Wish You Were Here instantly springs to mind.  It's not a bad album of course, but it gets severely owned on both sides.
disagree, (because after dark side all the way through the wall, they didn't have a weak album.)
 
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

 Genesis -- Nursery Cryme had the misfortune to be released between extremely strong albums.
disagree
 
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

The Mars Volta's Francis the Mute is probably the most frustrating album I have ever heard, and its inbetween the brilliant De-lOused in the Comatorium and the rather good Amputechture.  
holy f**k do i disagree
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:56
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

Ok, so the idea is to find a bad album with good albums before and after....
 
Let's see.
 
Pink Floyd -- Wish You Were Here instantly springs to mind.  It's not a bad album of course, but it gets severely owned on both sides.
 
Genesis -- Nursery Cryme had the misfortune to be released between extremely strong albums.
 


Actually I think the idea was to name "turkeys". You may not like these albums but they are numbers 5 and 23 in the PA chart and generally recognised as prog classics, so not really turkeys.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 16:46
Yes: Open Your Eyes
 
..has to be just about the most horrible 'prog-related' album I've ever heard...Dead
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