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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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Shooting off on a tangent from all the 'best of ...' discussions, I was wondering if you could name albums that follow the following criteria:
Is there any band or artist that has released a string of albums you really enjoy and right there, slap bang in the middle of these jems there stands the one sore thumb, the mother of all turkeys that you just can't believe this band ever released, it's that bad?
I'm not talking about a band changing direction during their career and thereby falling from grace, but just this one significant dip, that you just can't understand.
As an example: I'll never get over Ian Anderson's 'Walk into Light', Deep Purple's 'Slaves and Masters', Gentle Giant's 'Giant for a Day', and (saving the best until last) Genesis' 'Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
I wonder if '90125' or 'Big Generator' are going to be mentioned?
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Classic 'sore thumbs in a Simpsons episode' must be:
"Love Beach" by ELP (although most people might say that the preceding Works Volumes 1 and 2 precipitated this) "Get Your Dog Off Me' by scottish proggers Beggars Opera was pop/rock shlock after 3 very good albums "Dance With Arthur Brown' by erm.... Arthur Brown, was just an embarrassment to the great man's legacy Edited by ExittheLemming - May 27 2008 at 15:40 |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21792 |
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Pain of Salvation - Scarsick
Metallica - St. Anger Helloween - Chameleon Queen - Hot Space The Flower Kings - Adam & Eve Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime II |
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Vompatti ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67465 |
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Kate Bush's Red Shoes springs to mind. It's not really such an awful album, it's just significantly less brilliant than the rest of her work.
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Marillion: Radiation, Holidays in Eden --- They don't but both only have 1 or 2 really good songs. Everything else is just kinda ok (or horrible, depending on yer disposition toward Marillion)
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BroSpence ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 05 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2614 |
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The Pixies - Bossanova. Doolittle, Surfer Rosa, even Tromp le Monde were great. This album stands out due to its horrible "VERY 80s sounding" production mostly. Which is odd because it was released in the early 90s and their first two albums and EP have such sweet, raw, "non-80s" values.
Cocteau Twins - Victorialand. Not a terrible album at all. Its actually a good album. However, its very lacking in that they lost their drummer which forced them to become more etheral and in my opinion a bit less interesting. I still loved Guthrie's guitar work and the vocals, but without the drummer it just sounded so....new age-y. U2 - The Joshua Tree. A landmark album to so many people yet it leaves me bored and skipping most tracks. The group went from super awesome with their first 3 albums, to mediocre (Under a Blood Red Sky) to kind of lame with the J Tree. Achtung Baby at least picked up some slack, but JTree is filled with melodramatic stadium bores for the most part. Pearl Jam - Pearl Jam. A Band that started awesome and got progessively more awesome with each album then came to a halt. This album basically condensed and compromised all their great albums into a tiny package of annoying pop songs with bad riff after bad riff. Coincidentally, its been quite successful. TV on the Radio - Cookie Mountain. Their first official EP was pretty good. Their first album was brilliant. Their follow up was tragic. Here was a band that seemed so promising and creative that ruined itself. The songs became boring with an overabundance of atmospheric effects and lyrics that weren't nearly as interesting and melodies that were either not really there or just not really ear-grabbing. It also seemed rather over produced. Supposedly, this is the sound they had been looking for and will probably continue to go with. The only worthwhile song was the single "wolf like me". Hopefully, Dave Sitek's production job on the new Scarlett Johanson album isn't an indication of what the next album will sound like. |
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20049 |
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I never thought I'd see The Lamb Lies Down or The Joshua Tree described as "turkeys", and an album with "Moments of Pleasure" on it can never be that bad.
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A B Negative ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
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They actually lost their bass player, Simon Raymonde. They didn't have a real drummer until the mid 90s, they used a drum machine instead. I saw them when they played at T in the Park with a real drummer (and some horrible session-type musos) and they were terrible, nothing like the Cocteau Twins of Treasure or The Spangle-Maker.
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grahawk ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: May 28 2008 Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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I'd would agree about The Lamb Lies Down especially as it lies between two of their best. However they were on an alternate hit and miss phase. Wind and Wuthering is another turkey but And the There Were Three is a return to form. My other turkey would be Pawn Hearts - VDGG but I doubt many would agree.
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BroSpence ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 05 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2614 |
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Right right. Its weird because they didn't have a bassist on Head Over Heels which is magnificent, but they still stuck to the more usual style rather than the much more spacial sounds of Victorialand. I love everything they did up to Heaven of Las Vegas, after that they went downhill. They were supposed to reunite 4 years ago for Coachella, but Fraser eventually didn't want to or something like that. |
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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Ok, so the idea is to find a bad album with good albums before and after....
Let's see.
Pink Floyd -- Wish You Were Here instantly springs to mind. It's not a bad album of course, but it gets severely owned on both sides.
Alan Parson Project -- Pyramid should qualify.
Jon Anderson -- Song of Seven is definitely a piece of crap between two gems (excepting the excellent title track.)
Due to my recent realization that Camel -- I Can See Your House From Here isn't nearly as bad as it's reputation, Camel -- Breathless might make the list. ELO -- Face The Music is a similarly borderline choice.
Peter Gabriel II is another very strong contender.
Genesis -- Nursery Cryme had the misfortune to be released between extremely strong albums.
For a far more recent example, I'd cite King Crimson -- The Construcktion of Light.
That hits the ones that I can think of off the top of my head.
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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The Joshua Tree put me off of U2.
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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Bono's extramural activities put me off Bono.
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Bono's extramural activities put me off Bono.
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Rocktopus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
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The unmemorable ELO II's sandwiched inbetween their classic barock 'n' roll debut, and the brilliant On the Third Day. Eldorado after that is pretty great too.
Steve Hackett's follow up to Voyage of the Acolyte's the stinker Please Don't Touch. Then he is back on track with Spectral Mornings. |
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In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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sleeper ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
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The Mars Volta's Francis the Mute is probably the most frustrating album I have ever heard, and its inbetween the brilliant De-lOused in the Comatorium and the rather good Amputechture.
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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I feel the opposite: love the variety of Please Don't Touch and heard as a positive effort to distance himself from Genesis- for instance the presence of Richie Havens and two members of Kansas - found Voyage dull
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DJPuffyLemon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2008 Location: L Status: Offline Points: 520 |
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disagree
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20049 |
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Actually I think the idea was to name "turkeys". You may not like these albums but they are numbers 5 and 23 in the PA chart and generally recognised as prog classics, so not really turkeys. |
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20720 |
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Yes: Open Your Eyes
..has to be just about the most horrible 'prog-related' album I've ever heard...
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