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Starless
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Topic: Opeth (Watershed) - Sack the HM vocalist?? Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:23 |
Having read how good Opeth's Watershed is, I borrowed a copy from a mate, which I an listening to as I write.
Now, I have always had a deep aversion to any band that features unintelligible guttural growling HM vocals (I'm an old fart), and this occassionally features the very same. The suprise is I haven't turned it off, as musically it is very inventive, time & key changes a-plenty, and with completely schizophrenic style changes, sometimes in the same song, "Hessian Peel" being a case in point.
I won't be buying it though simply because of the annoying mock horror vox that creep in now and again. Here's my point - would they not be better off ditching the growling and thereby guaranteeing a much bigger audience? i would have thought they were too prog for a metal audience anyway.
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Evans
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:26 |
Ditch Åkerfeldt that and the band goes down. Stupid. Seriously, it will come to you. Most people feel aversion towards the growling at first, but then they get used to them. For me, they are now one of the main draws of Opeth. And i would never have thought that for the life of me a year ago. Give them a chance : ) And try Blackwater park instead.
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Starless
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:33 |
Just read that the growler & the proper singer are the same bloke, so let him sing more and growl less!
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Drew
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:34 |
This topic has come up multiple times.
It comes down to this- without the 'harsh' vocals, it wouldn't be Opeth. The mix of heavy and light vocals makes them who they are.
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Drew
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:37 |
Starless, you need to listen to Damnation then. Their only album with no death growls. You will like it a lot and then become one of those Opeth fans.
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rushfan4
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:38 |
For some, the growls grow on them. For me, I don't suspect they ever will. I would suggest giving their album Damnation a listen though. It is their mellowest album and there are absolutely no death metal vocals to be found. For fans of Opeth, Damnation is usually their least favorite album, but it is my favorite from them and I wish they did more like it.
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Starless
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:39 |
Starless, you need to listen to Damnation then. Their only album with no death growls. You will like it a lot and then become one of those Opeth fans.
Is that so bad?
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:40 |
they wouldn't gain a lot more fans if they compromised their style. the growling isn't bad
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Drew
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:40 |
Starless wrote:
Starless, you need to listen to Damnation then. Their only album with no death growls. You will like it a lot and then become one of those Opeth fans.
Is that so bad? |
heaven's no, they are incredible, and should be listened to in any shape or form
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Luke. J
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:40 |
The growling is just an essential part of Opeth, supporting the overall dark mood. I can not imagine Opeth completely without those vocals. They came from the realm of (Melodic) Death Metal, and did not abbandon their roots when turning to a more progressive direction.
To sum it up for me: Their vocals, maybe the most controversial thing about this band here, are part of the music. I also hated it a long time. For I came to prog from the metal side, every word might be preoccupied by evil monster singers 
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:48 |
Damnation is good, yes, but seriously, the growls make Opeth and the band would suffer immensely without them.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:57 |
Starless wrote:
Having read how good Opeth's Watershed is, I borrowed a copy from a mate, which I an listening to as I write.
Now, I have always had a deep aversion to any band that features unintelligible guttural growling HM vocals (I'm an old fart), and this occassionally features the very same. The suprise is I haven't turned it off, as musically it is very inventive, time & key changes a-plenty, and with completely schizophrenic style changes, sometimes in the same song, "Hessian Peel" being a case in point.
I won't be buying it though simply because of the annoying mock horror vox that creep in now and again. Here's my point - would they not be better off ditching the growling and thereby guaranteeing a much bigger audience? i would have thought they were too prog for a metal audience anyway. |
Judging from your user name I'm guessing you're a fan of King Crimson. Now, I think they would have had many more fans if they had left out the Avant-Garde parts ... wouldn't you agree?
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Kimoi
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 13:59 |
threadeth...
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rushfan4
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 14:04 |
The death growls are the Catch-22 of this band. It is these death growls that make them stand out from the rest of the modern prog bands that are out there, but it is also these death growls that cause many of us not to like them. (Unfortunately, at least for me, is that it is also these death growls that other modern bands are now trying to emulate because of this Opeth influence). I have discussed my opinion on this ad nauseum in other threads so I won't bore y'all yet again.
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The Crow
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 14:09 |
I would never take the growls off from Opeth... They make the personality of this marvellous band. Bacause we can't forget they have part of their roots in death metal.
I missed the growls in "Damnation" (now I think this album is just an exception in their career...) And I miss also some more growls in "Watershed". I think it's another masterpiece, but in some parts I wish to listen more death metal vocals.
So... I'm not agree with you. Sorry!
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Tony R
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 14:11 |
I take Mike's point about Opeth without those vocals wouldnt be Opeth but I have little doubt whatsoever that they would be far, far bigger if they ditched them. I dont mean going commercial, heck the music is quite demanding enough to keep the tourists away, but I feel that the vocal style holds them back.
I believe that with Watershed Akerlfeldt is starting to move away from those stylings...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 14:11 |
rushfan4 wrote:
The death growls are the Catch-22 of this band. It is these death growls that make them stand out from the rest of the modern prog bands that are out there, but it is also these death growls that cause many of us not to like them. (Unfortunately, at least for me, is that it is also these death growls that other modern bands are now trying to emulate because of this Opeth influence). I have discussed my opinion on this ad nauseum in other threads so I won't bore y'all yet again. |
There's much more to Opeth than these growls, but unfortunately they're all some people seem to register.
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Drew
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 14:15 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
The death growls are the Catch-22 of this band. It is these death growls that make them stand out from the rest of the modern prog bands that are out there, but it is also these death growls that cause many of us not to like them. (Unfortunately, at least for me, is that it is also these death growls that other modern bands are now trying to emulate because of this Opeth influence). I have discussed my opinion on this ad nauseum in other threads so I won't bore y'all yet again. |
There's much more to Opeth than these growls, but unfortunately they're all some people seem to register.
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SO TRUE!
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sleeper
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 14:21 |
Its already been said, but it wouldnt be Opeth without the growls. I dont doubt that their albums would still be very good but without the growls, songs like The Drapery Falls just wouldnt have the same effect.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 14:22 |
^ thanks!
in fact on the new album Mikael's appreciation for Camel shows more than ever - he's giving the keyboards much more space, and the growls have actually been reduced very much. Additionally, Opeth have gone all the way and included with the limited edition an audiophile mix of their album (high quality stereo + 5.1 dts), the album will also be available on heavyweight vinyl.
If you don't like the growls - fine, but give them some credit where credit is due.
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