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The Whistler 
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 Posted: June 14 2008 at 03:46 |
- The Wall (Dude, my favorite Floyd album EVER. Score.)
- The lamb Lies Down on Broawday (never heard it)
- Thick as Brick (Dude, my favorite Tull album, favorite prog album, favorite SONG ever. It IS a concept album too; even if it's a "mock-concept.")
- Tales From the Topografic Oceans (never heard it; not a Yes fan)
- Dark side of the Moon (Meh. S'okay. I mean, no, it's good. Overrated. The concept is an excuse to drape sonic explorations over.)
- Day The Future Passed (Good. Great. The concept is an excuse to drape songs over, but, who cares? Better'n Dark Side.)
- Tommy (Uh...hadn't heard the album. Saw the movie though. It was cool. Think I can trust the Who though.)
- 2112 (Haven't heard it; not a Rush fan)
- Brian Salad Surgery (Cool album--hardly a concept album though.)
- Hemipheres (See #8.)
- Sgt. Pepper's lonely hearts club band (Haven't heard it. In the entirety.)
- Joe's Garage (Sadly, haven't heard it.)
I'll think of some things to swap out at some point. Or not.
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 21:11 |
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For the post 70's scrap the Tool albums and insert a few Mars Volta ones.Francis,Deloused etc.As much as I love Tool,those are thematic rather than conceptual.Like someone else said -where is Ayreon?
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"There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about"
MJK
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Clepsydra
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 20:29 |
SUBTERRANEA - IQ
MISPLACED CHILDHOOD - MARILLION
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darkmatter
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 19:00 |
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I'll pass on the mythology articles. I'm looking over the Wikipedia article of Ænima and I'm not seeing a clear concept of the album. There may be themes, but I don't think that automatically makes it a concept album. I don't see how "Die Eier Von Satan" relates at all to the "concept" of Ænima. And if I'm correct, the song "jimmy" is about Maynard's mother. For an album to be a concept album, there has to be continuity. These two songs suggest a lack a continuity to the so-called "concept", therefore I don't see how it's a concept album.
And about Lateralus: I'm aware it has themes, I think metaphysical, but does that really make it a concept album? I've seen someone say that if you reorder the tracks, that makes it a concept album. Which I think is ridiculous, because if that was the intended order, then why the hell didn't they use that order in the first place?!
I'm with ProgBagel, too much over-analysis for this band. It's just music.
By the way, I am NOT bashing Tool, they are a band I very much like.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 18:11 |
Well darkside, it would be 'progbabble' and not 'progbable'. I never mentioned anything about Tool's music thus far in this topic, just saying I put them down, again, leaving my reasons out to avoid problems. I was just questioning how you believe there is a concept in Aenima.
Instead you ignored what I was trying to adress and came back with a wall of grammatical errors that really insult your intelligence.
I'm just asking why you personal believe that Aenima has to do with whatever mythology you are talking about. You say everything there is left before me, I don't see how a German cooking recipe relates to mythology...or is Tool that awesome?
Apparently there is more then one person that has already stated this...so there is some concensus. Just an explanation is all.
Thanks dorkside 
Edited by ProgBagel - June 13 2008 at 18:13
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micky
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 18:10 |
 darksideof wrote:
- The Wall
- The lamb Lies Down on Broawday
- Thick as Brick
- Tales From the Topografic Oceans
- Dark side of the Moon
- Day The Future Passed
- Tommy
- 2112
- Brian Salad Surgery
- Hemipheres
- Sgt. Pepper's lonely hearts club band
- Joe's Garage
After the 70's?
- Metropolis Part II:Scenes From A Memory Dream Theater
- The Perfect Element Pain of Salvation
- Ok Computer Radiohead
- Operation Mindcrime Queensrÿche
- Misplaced Childhood marillion
- Latelarus Tool
- Be pain of salvation
- A New mythology Symphony X
- Aenima Tool
- Second Life Syndrome riveside
- Fear of A Black Planet PT yeap! their last album
- the visitor Arena
 
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that 70's list.. .well.. it sucks... many are not concept albums.. and some that are... weren't even GOOD concepts. The post-70's is much better though
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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1800iareyay
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:51 |
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The only discernible concept I can see in Ænima is that it is Bill Hicks' routine set to music.* Take that out and put in The Human Equation, and I'd pretty much agree with your modern prog list. The 70s one, on the other hand...I will accept The Wall at number one over my own opinion of the album (bloated whinging via totalitarian band control) due to it's massive commercial success and long lasting impact on music and pop culture at large. Same for Lamb Lies Down, only on a smaller scale since that one's impact is pretty much restricted to prog. But a sidelong suite does not make the whole album conceptual, so 2112, Hemispheres, and BSS should be swapped out for three others, one of which almost HAS to be Quadrophenia. Also, Zappa's a bit tricky, since a number of his albums are conceptual, but few tell a running story. If you include non-rock operas, then I'd sub We're only In It For the Money for Joe's Garage and bump it up the list.
Please note this is not a put down
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:44 |
I'm officially getting annoyed now. Darkside, you need to quit while you're this far behind. So far NOBODY who's posted a response (as far as I can tell) has agreed with you. I'll be amazed if you can find one person who agrees with both of your lists 100% anyway. And besides, these polls are starting to get ridiculous with all the back and forth arguments and nobody is bothering to give an inch. Give it a rest before I lose my sanity, please. 
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darksideof
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:39 |
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darksideof
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:38 |
Probable wrote:
Believe me dude, I have tried for many years. I just don't understand where some people come up with these ideas. The band doesn't speak much about their material anyway right?...I feel like it is just open to interpretation like In Absentia. Things just get taken too far. |
what in the world are YOU talking about?
i think the problem her might be that you had high expectation of this band and they didn't get you here. Tool is a very personal and private band however ifyou study their lyricsyou wont need interpretion is all ready there. But That is OK. many old prog fans give alot praise to hawkind and I found them one the wrost prog band ever but that is truthful my personal opinion.Got it? it is personal choise and prefence of music and lyrics.
To me Tool became a super and important band when lateralus came out . their lyrics are smart, Thruthful ,dark ,sad, pitiful , powerful ,and spiritual that I can relate so much to that. such encouraging and up lifting words and not mentioning their breath taking guitar solos. also I enjoy their music alot because they remind of some my all time favorite bands ( Black sabbath, Pink Floyd, Rush and King crimson)
readi this " up lifting" lyrics
Parabola]
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment,
We are Choosing to be here, right now. Hold on, stay inside...
This hoooooly reality, this hoooooly experience.
Choosing to be here in...
This body. This body holding me. Be my reminder here that I am not alone in
This body, this body holding me, feeling eternal all this pain is an illusion.
Alive!
In this hoooooly reality, in this hoooooly experience. Choosing to be here in...
This body. This body holding me. Be my reminder here that I am not alone in
This body, this body holding me, feeling eternal all this pain is an illusion...
Twirling round with this familiar parable.
Spinning, weaving round each new experience.
Recognize this as a holy gift and, celebrate this
(chance to beeeeee alive and breathing 2x)
This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality.
Embrace this moment. Remember. we are eternal.
all this pain is an illusion.
  so beautiful!!!
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:31 |
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Here are mine:
The Wall
Quadrophenia
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Tommy
Joe's Garage
Three Friends(great choice TGM)
Animals
The Book of Taliesyn(has a faded concept there, though great)
A Passion Play(much more straightforward concept than TAAB)
Aqualung
Too Old to Rock(the music is weak but the concept is fun and a good novel would have been)
Snow Goose(not sure if it's a concept album though)
Well some other that I can't remember. But from your list, I really can't see as DSOTM as my definition of Concept, it has one but really doesn't fit to me. TAAB, well TGM has said it perfectly. Dunno about Rush. Brain Salad Suregery also has a faded concept, though the name of the album fits the suite the album as a whole don't.
Don't know about the "modern" ones.
I won't vote.
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darksideof
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:24 |
fighting sleep wrote:
Besides all the Rush albums, this is a fairly decent list. My only question is: why isn't Tommy at the top?
Here's a few albums I would supplement for the ones that shouldn't be on the list:
Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh for Days of Future Past
Quadrophenia for 2112
Animals for Hemispheres
Selling England by the Pound for Brain Salad Surgery
As for the second list, it would be better if it included Ulver's William Blake album, as well as the Mars Volta's Deloused or Frances. And maybe the Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking. Brilliant album, despite it's flaws. |
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ProgBagel
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:23 |
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Believe me dude, I have tried for many years. I just don't understand where some people come up with these ideas. The band doesn't speak much about their material anyway right?...I feel like it is just open to interpretation like In Absentia. Things just get taken too far.
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darksideof
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:20 |
ProgBagel wrote:
darksideof wrote:
darkmatter wrote:
Errrr.... I've seen the argument for Lateralus being a concept album (not sure I agree with it though), but how exactly is Ænima a concept album? |
the whole album is themed base on Egyptian mythology,ababalon and sacret. geometry. so it does have concept.
 so good info to read. |
I'm sorry, but everytime this band is mentioned I put them down. My blame mostly lies in the fans when things like this appear. This is yet again an over-analyzation of simple music. How is a German reciting a cookie recipe and a song about Los Angeles related to Egyptian mythology. Just over analyzing...I can't take it when people think so highly of this band. |
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:13 |
darksideof wrote:
darkmatter wrote:
Errrr.... I've seen the argument for Lateralus being a concept album (not sure I agree with it though), but how exactly is Ænima a concept album? |
the whole album is themed base on Egyptian mythology,ababalon and sacret. geometry. so it does have concept.
so good info to read. |
I'm sorry, but everytime this band is mentioned I put them down. My blame mostly lies in the fans when things like this appear. This is yet again an over-analyzation of simple music. How is a German reciting a cookie recipe and a song about Los Angeles related to Egyptian mythology. Just over analyzing...I can't take it when people think so highly of this band.
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fighting sleep
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:01 |
Besides all the Rush albums, this is a fairly decent list. My only question is: why isn't Tommy at the top?
Here's a few albums I would supplement for the ones that shouldn't be on the list:
Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh for Days of Future Past
Quadrophenia for 2112
Animals for Hemispheres
Selling England by the Pound for Brain Salad Surgery
As for the second list, it would be better if it included Ulver's William Blake album, as well as the Mars Volta's Deloused or Frances. And maybe the Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking. Brilliant album, despite it's flaws.
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 17:00 |
-As long as the great THE WALL is included and stand at # 1, i will agree with everything else you said, Darkside 
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darksideof
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 16:34 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
- The Wall. Lame. Explained why in other thread. Boring, semi-logical concept, lyrical filler.
- The lamb Lies Down on Broawday. Minor spelling details aside, absolutely. Brilliant album, dealing with an interesting and ambiguous overall story, while giving nods to issues. Very lyrically clever.
- Thick as Brick. Don't know. Really only a concept in its parodic nature of the epic poem. Themes of youth overpowering old. Not sure its a dead-set concept. Great album, certainly, and I admit that the concept and feel adds to it. Might have given A Passion Play the nod.
- Tales From the Topografic Oceans. Hm, probably. I have difficulty confronting it as a concept because the lyrics are rather diffuse. Some brilliant textures and atmospheres, some slips, an overall theme. Very good album.
- Dark side of the Moon. I'll give you that one. Perhaps more partial to WYWH (even if less concepty) and Animals, myself.
- Day The Future Passed. Semi-concept. Good album, rather than great. Always had problems with the jumpier moments being rather too frequent. Additionally, given that the concept is a little *difficult* to quantify (and it was named by the label, not the band), I'm uncertain whether it qualifies.
- Tommy. Some weak lyrical choices, plenty of essentially concept-unrelated material (Pinball Wizard having maybe a line of relevance). Not exactly my thing.
- 2112. Not exactly a concept album. There's one concept song and a side of entirely unrelated, as far as I can tell, material. I love it (to a four star level), but Tears and Something For Nothing, for instance, bear no relation to each other.
- Brian Salad Surgery. It's not a concept album. Not even close, in my opinion. One concept song, with a main weakness in not really tying together the components (I fail to see how the second really relates to the other two, really). Absolutely great album, but again, it's just not a concept album.
- Hemipheres. Not a concept album, again. There is a concept to Hemispheres, very loosely continued from Cygnus X-I, and the remaining three bits are all good, but not connected to an over-riding concept. I consider the lyrics to Hemispheres a little awkward, but I like it.
- Sgt. Pepper's lonely hearts club band Don't know.
- Joe's Garage Don't know.
So. 3/10 I wouldn't even consider concept albums. 1 I'd consider dubious. 3 I'd consider not that great. So, no.
What I'd have gone for (Criteria /5, concept relevance+quality. averaged):
Still Life - Van Der Graaf Generator
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Close To The Edge (underlying theme of spiritual growth)
Dark Side Of The Moon
Animals
Three Friends - Gentle Giant
A Farewell To Kings (in my opinion, the only real Rush concept album of those I've heard)
Rubycon - Tangerine Dream (no vocals, I admit :p)
(The Planets - Holst :p)
Magma - s/t
H to He, Who Am The Only One - Van Der Graaf Generator (I'm confident there's an all-pervading concept in this one. Loneliness and the need for love. Not sure everyone will agree... :) )
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OK buddy it is OK to say that you don't like the Masterpiece " The Wall" that is just your bared naked opinion, ( the wall is such incredible album regarless its fame in the pop world . I can relate in many diffent ways so I disagree 1,000 times with you.
however I might agree with you regarding that the rest of other albums aren't really concept album anyway!
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 16:28 |
I agree for sure. The only thing that I would change is the orders of course.
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 16:24 |
darkmatter wrote:
Errrr.... I've seen the argument for Lateralus being a concept album (not sure I agree with it though), but how exactly is Ænima a concept album? |
the whole album is themed base on Egyptian mythology,ababalon and sacret. geometry. so it does have concept.
so good info to read.
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