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Equality 7-2521 
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 Posted: June 25 2008 at 15:11 |
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I would have bet my life that you of all people could appreciate Merzbow. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 18:22 |
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Even I can't appreciate Merzbow, and I like atonality and venetian snares. Merzbow and the whole Japanese noise/"noize" scene is so out there I don't even know what to call it. Can people actually enjoy listening to Masonna? I don't know.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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The T
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 23:29 |
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Not really.... I mean... i can take some music with no big melodies.... but music with no big NOTES????
Noise can be interesting.. but it wear out quickly... it's like a gimmick or a novelty thing... First time you say "oh god this is pure genius!", second time "yes... it's very interesting".... third time "mmm.... OK... It's a new thing but I want to hear something else now.." Fourth time "Please hand me that Justin Timberlake CD man... at least it has notes"...
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WinterLight
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 23:41 |
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Of some interest is Mr. Akerfeldt's response to the review in question.
Edited by WinterLight - June 25 2008 at 23:43 |
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laplace
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 23:41 |
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i've been listening to Merzbow's "Hybrid Noisebloom" extensively on my mp3 player for months and I have not yet memorized it. maybe it is impossible to.
I am going to get back into Masonna, Gero, CCCC, Incapacitants et. al because I am so frustrated with moderm music right now. To answer whoever's question, yes, this is enjoyment in the form of relief - most music is light entertainment, noise is something different that I can still appreciate. Maybe I'm brainwashed by it or the noise stance simply lines up with some of my philosophies but it still works for me. I really wish Opeth would have experimented a little more with Watershed and stripped out some of the old formulaic parts. I appreciated the few, small moments where they were doing something out of the ordinary, but doesn't it frustrate to know that they can do something more than mine the same seam, yet hardly ever do? |
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 23:56 |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 00:21 |
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Haha, I didn't know people cared about us!
laplace, you don't have to start listening to things that aren't music just to get away from modern music. :P I can't bring myself to call Merzbow music yet, especially since he doesn't seem to care whether or not it is music. I would ask how you can possibly enjoy it, but I know it's not something you can explain. I can't explain to an unbeliever why I like free jazz, and I'm sure it's the same for you.
But I do have one question: by what metric do you consider noize music? Is it a "The only thing required for music is for the player and the listener to call it music" thing, or is that not even something you care about? Edited by Henry Plainview - June 26 2008 at 00:29 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 02:40 |
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All the discussion about Merzbow is indeed off topic here, since his recordings consist primarily of noise, not music. Of course the music contains drums/rhythm which *is* an element of music, but whether to call Merzbow a music artist or not should really be discussed in a separate thread.
The comments at www.ultimatemetal.com about Cert's review were also already discussed in a different thread ... so please let's continue to use this thread to discuss the mysterious wrong note.  |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 03:09 |
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That's not Akerfeldt - it's just some snotty-nosed kid using his name as a login
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 03:09 |
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Sounds OK to me - not my sort of thing, but I can appreciate the musicality in it.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 04:44 |
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That note doesn't seem "wrong" at all to me. Not out of place or anything
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 12:24 |
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I was being sarcastic. I like noise, but Merzbow's catalogue is so hit and miss that its frustrating to sort through. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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mystic fred
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 02:54 |
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i like the "wrong" note - it sounds unexpected and creative.
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Dean
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 10:00 |
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"You're playing all the wrong notes!"
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What?
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mystic fred
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 15:08 |
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..but not necessarily in the right order...
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A B Negative
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Posted: July 09 2008 at 06:48 |
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I need to have my eyes tested, I read that as "Can people actually enjoy listening to Madonna?"
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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el böthy
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Posted: July 09 2008 at 22:10 |
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WHERE ARE ALL THE AVANT GARDE FANS!?!?!
They will tell you how stupid this really is... it is pretty stupid.   |
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Negoba
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Posted: July 28 2008 at 12:42 |
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It is not even vaguely a wrong note. Jeez. Hacket(t?) used that tension frequently. I get someone not liking deliberately "outside" notes but this is metal, it's chromatic. Putting in random chromatic tensions that sound cool but don't necessarily follow theory rules is such an old technique in metal, it's practically a cliche. It's also where some of the cooler riffs come from, letting your ear say "I like that sound, and I don't give a sh....t" instead following any preconceived rules.
OTOH, if your ear doesn't like it, cool. Mine does. It liked it on Selling England too.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 00:43 |
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HOLY sh*t WHY IS THIS A THREAD
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King of Loss
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 00:55 |
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I enjoy reading this thread.
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Opeth - Hessian Peel: The Mysterious Wrong Note
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