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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 16:40 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Saw them live last year. Ian's got no voice left, Martin Barre and the new drummer plays like they're is in a hair metal band, and the keyboardsound would fit better on a Enya album. The fluteplaying was great, though.
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Tull's 90s are great. There is nothing hair metal about Tull. Andy Giddings was the keyboardist in the 90s and half the 00s and he was cool like John Evans. Played plenty of Hammond organ. But I'm not familiar with their new keyboardist. There's plenty of quality tracks from the 3 remasters + other outtake tracks mentioned below:
Dotcom + It all trickles down(outtake)
Roots to Branches
Catfish Rising + Night in the wilderness, Truck stop runner, Silver river turning(outtakes)
There's meant to be some Roots to branches outtakes which haven't been released yet. So each of those 3 albums sessions have 15 or more songs. There maye be 2 or 3 weaker tracks on each, but there's plenty of quality music which rivals Tull in the early 70s or late 70s. I'm also a big fan of A. It's a quality album. Broadsword sessions have 26 songs(at least half of those songs are quality too). Tull were only weaker from 1984-1989.
Edited by PROGMONSTER2008 - February 17 2009 at 16:42
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 17:06 |
Right now im listening to Heavy Horses, curiously i think it would be the album you need.
And A Passion Play
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J-Man
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 17:21 |
Heavy Horses. Passion Play is great, but takes time to get into.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 17:38 |
PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
Saw them live last year. Ian's got no voice left, Martin Barre and the new drummer plays like they're is in a hair metal band, and the keyboardsound would fit better on a Enya album. The fluteplaying was great, though.
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Tull's 90s are great. There is nothing hair metal about Tull. |
Last year it was 2008, and their livesound was really crappy believe me. I do think Barre's guitarsound started sounding bad already in the late 70's, and in the concert it really stunk (the hair metal part was I was only referring to the concert). And you haven't heard the new keyboardplayer, so it doesn't help that you think the previous one was cool like John Evans. I think on Tull's discography, we simply disagree. I can't stand the sound they have in the 80's, 90's or what I've heard from the 00's.
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 20:30 |
Rocktopus wrote:
PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
Saw them live last year. Ian's got no voice left, Martin Barre and the new drummer plays like they're is in a hair metal band, and the keyboardsound would fit better on a Enya album. The fluteplaying was great, though.
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Tull's 90s are great. There is nothing hair metal about Tull. |
Last year it was 2008, and their livesound was really crappy believe me. I do think Barre's guitarsound started sounding bad already in the late 70's, and in the concert it really stunk (the hair metal part was I was only referring to the concert). And you haven't heard the new keyboardplayer, so it doesn't help that you think the previous one was cool like John Evans.
I think on Tull's discography, we simply disagree. I can't stand the sound they have in the 80's, 90's or what I've heard from the 00's.
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I have no problem with their 90s. Yeah there maybe a couple of cheesy tunes on Catfish but the rest is fine and some of the outtakes really make up for it. The band are pretty much awesome from 1968-1982 and 1990-2000. There are some mediocre tunes through the 1968-1982 period also. There's some weak tunes on Side 2 of Aqualung, plus a couple on Warchild, Too old, Benefit, Stand up, This was, Minstrel, Broadsword. But as usual there are bonus tracks which make up for that. I don't see any drop in quality in the 90s compared to the 1968-1982 period. Ian is a genius and is capable of writing classic tunes any time. Sometimes you'll find a song which you think Ian can do better, but I just assume it's Ians attempt at being commercial just to keep a few extra dollars coming in. As mentioned above you'll find some weak tracks on half their albums during the 1968-1982 period. I reckon I can find just as many quality tunes on Dotcom than on Aqualung. I believe the band could have been more consistent with their recording styles from 1981-1989. Some of the drum track recordings on the Broadsword remaster are fine, but some are disappointing. Some of the songs that were not included on the Broadsword remaster are fine too. eg Motoreyes and Jackalynn(unplugged version). Under wraps has alot of very silly drum samples. Ian was experimenting but went overboard. Crest and Rock Island could have had better sounding drum tracks too.
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Posted: February 18 2009 at 20:25 |
I think the best phase of artistic expression and innovative Songwriting of Tull is the Folk Rock stuff. Song of the woods have some creative vocal areregements, that are unique in rock.However the best and powerful compositions were recorded in thick ad a brick.
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Posted: February 21 2009 at 09:35 |
I'm sorry but i can't stand by and let a comment like 'there's some weak tunes on Side 2 of Aqualung' and 'some weak tracks on half their albums during the 1968-1982 period' go unchallangened. Which tracks are you reffering to? I can't think of a weak track on either side of aqualung. I also totally agree with the first comment on ian's voice. He is a shadow of his former self on stage but his backlog of work is one of the most impressive collections for a 'one band man'.
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Einsetumadur
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Posted: February 21 2009 at 09:46 |
@Drew: "Living in the Past" has become nearly needless since 2/3 of the pieces have been re-released on the remasters of the other albums ...
"Minstrel in the Gallery" is awkward IMO, I don't like the strings there, most of the compositions desperately want to be prog and unconventional - except for the title track and "One White Duck/0^10" (which is outstanding!) I can't stand this album ... do you *love* or like "Songs from the Wood" ?
I would take "Stand Up" as the next album as there are many great songs, which are quite bluesy (like on "Benefit"), but often more balladesque....
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Posted: February 21 2009 at 10:26 |
A Passion Play
Minstrel in the Gallery
Too Old to Rock n' Roll: Too Young to Die!
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: February 21 2009 at 17:36 |
30761760 wrote:
I'm sorry but i can't stand by and let a comment like 'there's some weak tunes on Side 2 of Aqualung' and 'some weak tracks on half their albums during the 1968-1982 period' go unchallangened. Which tracks are you reffering to? I can't think of a weak track on either side of aqualung. I also totally agree with the first comment on ian's voice. He is a shadow of his former self on stage but his backlog of work is one of the most impressive collections for a 'one band man'. |
Tull are my fave band but they do have some songs which I think the band can do better than. But Tull sets such a high standard with alot of their songs that you get surprised if they do a song which isn't strong. I think My God is pretty simple for Tull standards. It's just a continual simple riff with not much else apart from an interesting bit in the middle. I think it's one of Ians weakest vocal performances of the 70s too. I really don't like his growling voice at all and I'm not much of a fan of repetitive lyrics either. I also have a similar problem with WInd up. The vocals are annoying and Martin overdoes it with the guitar. Sounds more like Hard rock than prog  . Hymn 43 isn't bad, but nothing outsanding imo. Locomotive breath is a good album filler but it would sound alot better surrounded by better songs on it's side of the album. Slipstream is ok, but give me Cheap day return and Wondring aloud anyday. I much prefer Side 1. Cross eyed mary is my fave song from the album and Aqualung is almost as cool. Up to me is probably the most underrated and Mother goose is similarly strong. So I love Side 1 and the other songs from 1971, Dr Bogenbroom, Up the pool, For later, Wondring again, Life is a long song. Now those songs are Tull at the best 
Edited by PROGMONSTER2008 - February 21 2009 at 17:41
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: February 21 2009 at 17:39 |
Einsetumadur wrote:
@Drew: "Living in the Past" has become nearly needless since 2/3 of the pieces have been re-released on the remasters of the other albums ...
"Minstrel in the Gallery" is awkward IMO, I don't like the strings there, most of the compositions desperately want to be prog and unconventional - except for the title track and "One White Duck/0^10" (which is outstanding!) I can't stand this album
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LITP is worth it just for the 8 or so songs which haven't been on any remasters. I also think Minstrel is pretty bland for Tull standards. The bonus tracks are the highlights imo
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Rocktopus
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Posted: February 22 2009 at 19:29 |
PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
I think on Tull's discography, we simply disagree. I can't stand the sound they have in the 80's, 90's or what I've heard from the 00's.
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I have no problem with their 90s. Yeah there maybe a couple of cheesy tunes on Catfish but the rest is fine and some of the outtakes really make up for it. The band are pretty much awesome from 1968-1982 and 1990-2000. There are some mediocre tunes through the 1968-1982 period also. There's some weak tunes on Side 2 of Aqualung, plus a couple on Warchild, Too old, Benefit, Stand up, This was, Minstrel, Broadsword. But as usual there are bonus tracks which make up for that. I don't see any drop in quality in the 90s compared to the 1968-1982 period. Ian is a genius and is capable of writing classic tunes any time.
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Like I said: We simply disagree. I consider Tull as completely uninteresting for the last 30 years. The music, lyrics, vocals... everything got less interesting, less original and less relevant a loong time ago. I wouldn't even consider comparing Aqualung with any album (I've heard) from that period. The whole sound and arrangements are just so wrong in every way, it takes me about one second to hear that any newer Tull is not for me (that doesn't mean I've only heard one second). Unlike you, I don't think there's any real weak tracks on Benefit, Stand Up or Aqualung, though.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Drew
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Posted: February 22 2009 at 19:38 |
 Thanks again for all of your suggestions!
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claudio
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Posted: August 03 2009 at 11:49 |
i need to every jethro tull record,but my favourite is STAND UP
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SgtPepper67
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Posted: August 03 2009 at 12:59 |
A passion play and Minstrel in the gallery
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Posted: August 03 2009 at 13:11 |
This Was, Stand Up & Living in the Past
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Callergrim
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Posted: August 03 2009 at 14:28 |
Heavy Horses of course! The best album of the best in the world!
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JLocke
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Posted: August 03 2009 at 14:31 |
Root to Brances is a very underrated album. Check that one out.
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Zombywoof
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Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:50 |
A Passion Play, Minstrel in the Gallery, and the rest of the 70's stuff. After that, the entire collection!
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Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:56 |
Heavy Horses and/or Minstrel in the Gallery, both are excellent.
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