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micky 
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 Posted: February 28 2009 at 12:29 |
^ blame it on right-wing nuts... the shoe fits for everything else 
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 22:19 |
Great album, not great in the sense of prog masterpiece, breathtaking, pathbreaking and all. But great album to listen to and enjoy without having to bother to make any effort to concentrate hard and spot what a hundred other reviewers are telling you is great about the album : because its appeal is transparent and immediate. Maybe because I wasn't around when these folks shifted to moneyed pastures in the 80s, I am neutral about the whole thing - anyway the "sellout" lable has since been tagged onto so many bands it doesn't even matter anymore - and it doesn't matter to me whether it's AOR or prog or whatever. What I am hearing is 80s mainstream hard rock/heavy metal with more keyboard presence and an unusually (for hard rock/ heavy metal) angelic voice that somehow works with the style when it should not. Changes is my favourite bit of Anderson's singing, there, I said it! 
But there's a catch: Drama was still so much better. I would rather have had the Horn lineup, that album was far more energetic and I actually don't even hear such a lot of difference between Howe and Rabin, Rabin is still not metal 101 and Drama had some of Howe's most metallic licks, so there is actually some amount of continuity. Then again, Anderson does not exactly occupy a hallowed place in my pantheon of rock vocalists, so maybe appreciating Drama is a little more difficult for those who idolize him thusly. Anyway, forget about pop Genesis, I would take 90125 over And Then There Were Three, bland, boring album that one!
Masterpiece? Yes's last masterpiece was Close To The Edge, everything after was too inconsistent to comprehensively rule, but not too bad either (don't know about Big Generator though  ). Actually, I don't know about Talk, Ladder and all either, maybe some masterpieces in there too but 90125 is not one of 'em! It will do very well though! |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 22:22 |
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I cannot sit through a single song off this album. It's utterly atrocious IMHO.
As Rogerthat said, the band peaked at CTTE (I rate Fragile nearly as high as CTTE actually, I freaking love Fragile, it's a masterpiece too IMO) and never topped it.
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 22:27 |
 HughesJB4 wrote:
I cannot sit through a single song off this album. It's utterly atrocious IMHO.
As Rogerthat said, the band peaked at CTTE (I rate Fragile nearly as high as CTTE actually, I freaking love Fragile, it's a masterpiece too IMO) and never topped it.
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Actually I love Fragile too, probably more so than even CTTE. Didn't find 90125 atrocious though, actually I dig the Asia s/t too, maybe I am a philistine, who knows!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 22:32 |
Sim`ple, becaise when you buy a prog band album, you want to listen Prog, not POP.
If I buy Duran Duran or Men at Work, I expect POP and probably will enjoy the music in some circumstances, but if I buy Yes, I don't expect POP.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 28 2009 at 22:33
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 22:36 |
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Why? Because it's cool to hate 90125 on a prog site. I was in high school when it came out and it was a nice break from the Billy Squire/Madonna/Night Ranger garbage that was prevalent.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 22:40 |
Atavachron wrote:
Why? Because it's cool to hate 90125 on a prog site. I was in high school when it came out and it was a nice break from the Billy Squire/Madonna/Night Ranger garbage that was prevalent.
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90125 came out in 1983 mang, come on, not all music was bad then. We had Maiden, Metallica was on their first album, we had both Randy Rhoads's Ozzy releases. You didn't need a break from that, did ya David? 
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Finnforest
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 22:41 |
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Not fair David....those of us who think it sucks are not saying so to be "cool." Please. I diss it because I truly find it dreadful, not to be thought of as cool by other people. That's insulting.
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 22:49 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
90125 came out in 1983 mang, come on, not all music was bad then.
We had Maiden, Metallica was on their first album, we had both Randy Rhoads's Ozzy releases.
You didn't need a break from that, did ya David?
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I agree, JP was still going strong too, IF you were into metal, early to mid 80s would have been a great time, plenty of great albums breaking into the mainstream. And I agree with Finnforest, it's certainly possible to hate 90125 for what it is just as I hope I will be forgiven for disliking TFTO. But eh, Signals and Grace Under Pressure are supposed to be an "intelligent blend of prog and rock/pop influences" but they really don't sound so completely different from 90125 to me.
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 22:52 |
Finnforest wrote:
Not fair David....those of us who think it sucks are not saying so to be "cool." Please. I diss it because I truly find it dreadful, not to be thought of as cool by other people. That's insulting.
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sorry Finny
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 22:53 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
90125 came out in 1983 mang, come on, not all music was bad then.
We had Maiden, Metallica was on their first album, we had both Randy Rhoads's Ozzy releases.
You didn't need a break from that, did ya David?
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Finnforest
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 23:03 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 23:08 |
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he is a bit much, really good player though ..but never and I mean never buy his Rabbitt album
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Finnforest
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 23:16 |
Atavachron wrote:
he is a bit much, really good player though ..but never and I mean never buy his Rabbitt album
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I don't think you have to worry about that "Love will find a Way" damaged me well beyond being able to take him seriously, ever. I can never erase that video from my brain.
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Chris S
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 23:21 |
90125 is a very very good album. Rabin's inflection of sound helped kick start the stagnating direction Yes were struggling with, although Drama had some fine moments without JA of course. Personally I believe Rabin/Kaye helped keep JA interested too. Not sure why some prog fans were so adverse to change and anyway how many TFTO/Relayer type albums can one band deliver?
I prefer the big anthem sound Yes produced here more so than their Asia counterparts- sure it was steering towards AOR but try change history. One of the best songs off the album was ' Changes'. Kind of apt for the time.
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Finnforest
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Posted: February 28 2009 at 23:28 |
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Not "adverse to change" at all, just think it's awful....again, that's projecting onto others our reasons for thinking it awful. I have no problem with you liking it and stating why, you shouldn't tell us why we don't like it, especially when the reasons are unfounded.
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Chris S
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 00:25 |
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^ Sorry Finny
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 08:44 |
I asked myself the same question a couple of years ago, and spent about three months going back through the entire Yes catalog and reviewing every studio and live album to find the answer. The 80s were a weird time, kind of like summer camp. There are things you tolerate (like dirty clothes and campfire singalongs and ugly girls) that you never would normally, but you do because they seem okay under the circumstances. 90125 in the 80s was like that (as were Asia and Love Beach and Broadsword & the Beast BTW). Try immersing yourself in all things Yes for a couple of months and the mediocrity of 90125 will manifest quite cearly. "I’ve spent this fall reacquainting myself with the Yes catalog, spending dozens of hours reliving the entire suite of studio albums from the self-titled debut through Magnification, including a number of live albums and compilations. And I have to say that when laid alongside everything the band did up to this point, 90125 pales in comparison to even Drama, which I had thought was the weakest album the band had ever recorded. I stand corrected."
Edited by ClemofNazareth - March 01 2009 at 08:45
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 08:51 |
Well, I know that won't win me any fans, but I'd take 90125 any day over The Ladder, which I find has only three good tracks. But that's probably me showing my true, non-prog colours ... After all, I've reviewed and given 5 stars to far too many Prog-Related albums to be really credible !
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 11:07 |
Atavachron wrote:
Why? Because it's cool to hate 90125 on a prog site. I was in high school when it came out and it was a nice break from the Billy Squire/Madonna/Night Ranger garbage that was prevalent.
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No David, if we cared for what is cool, we wouldn't be listening such an uncool music as Prog.
At least in my case I don't like 90125 because I believe it's a terrible album.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - March 01 2009 at 11:07
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Why does everyone hate 90125?
Rabin brings out the worst in me