The Final Cut

floydispink wrote: I'm a very big Floyd fan, but I honestly think none of their albums reaches the brilliance of The Final Cut/

What.

I'll send my Animal army, consisting of rabid Dogs, crazy Pigs, Sheep hoardes and the elite Pigs on the Wing to challenge that tripe.

Seriously now, The Final Cut is one of those albums that I have to really be in the mood for, much like the most of Waters solo work. That is about it really. I don't mind the content, but both Animals and The Wall were better at portraying those emotions, without succumbing to incessant whining and castrated songwriting.

someone_else wrote: The Final Cut may not sound like a Pink Floyd album - it is actually a Roger Waters album -, but it is as good as any of their other albums, and lyrically even better. Roger's songwriting skills come to a climax on this album.

What he said. It is neither an easy album nor a comfortable one, but it is much, much better than its undeservedly bad reputation. In my humble opinion, those who say it's bad have never listened to a really bad album.


Edited by Raff - January 06 2010 at 15:17

It's an incredible tour de force, made even more amazing when you consider the historical context in which it was released. In the UK at the time, Margaret Thatcher was at the height of her powers, riding high on war driven fervour, and Reagon was sat pretty in USA.

For an artist/band (and, yes, it was, in essence, a Waters solo dry run) to even consider releasing such an emotive and powerful paeon to the ravages and horrors of war was incredibly brave.

My favourite is The Fletcher Memorial Home, which considers our political maniacs in precisely the right context and also contains a delicious solo from Gilmour.

A great album and one that I feel will be judged as being right up there with their best works as history passes us all by.

The most dreadful album Floyd ever made...oh wait, it's not made by Pink Floyd, it's a solo album by Roger Waters. Which is a terrible thing in itself. Waters is the least talented musician in Floyd and therefore the album lacks good melodies, because he doesn't care about those, all he cares about are his lyrics and his ego. Even Gilmour's guitar solo's (of which there aren't many, but when there is one, it's a good one) can't save this dull album. And heartfelt lyrics? I'll let you in on a secret: To write heartfelt lyrics you need a heart. We all know what kind of person Waters is, so him writing lyrics that attack dictators is nothing more than hypocrisy. And to think that after this rubbish even worse was to come with the completely moronic story of "Radio KAOS" makes me just wonder why people still think highly of Waters 

lazland wrote:   Maybe you are confusing this persona with the one that was at the heart of the Floyd split. By Waters own admission, to be fair to him, this was a story of four huge egos getting in each others way, with his being the largest. He has never taken any pride in this whatsoever - quite the opposite in fact.

lazland wrote: Anthony wrote: The most dreadful album Floyd ever made...oh wait, it's not made by Pink Floyd, it's a solo album by Roger Waters. Which is a terrible thing in itself. Waters is the least talented musician in Floyd and therefore the album lacks good melodies, because he doesn't care about those, all he cares about are his lyrics and his ego. Even Gilmour's guitar solo's (of which there aren't many, but when there is one, it's a good one) can't save this dull album. And heartfelt lyrics? I'll let you in on a secret: To write heartfelt lyrics you need a heart. We all know what kind of person Waters is, so him writing lyrics that attack dictators is nothing more than hypocrisy. And to think that after this rubbish even worse was to come with the completely moronic story of "Radio KAOS" makes me just wonder why people still think highly of Waters  Sorry, but this is really unfair. In fact, if you read interviews with those who know him best, or work with him, they all tell the same story - that of a vastly misunderstood anmd exceptionally kind human being. And surely the one thing that nobody can ccuse him of is lacking a heart - just listen to all of those lyrics over all those years. Maybe you are confusing this persona with the one that was at the heart of the Floyd split. By Waters own admission, to be fair to him, this was a story of four huge egos getting in each others way, with his being the largest. He has never taken any pride in this whatsoever - quite the opposite in fact.

He once said in a pretty recent interview that he regrets all the fighting that happened after the band split. He didn't have an easy time saying it, but let's be real, who would? And just look at the Live 8 concert. At the end Roger seems so happy to have played with the band again, and it really does look honest. 

Edited by floydispink - January 06 2010 at 16:11

floydispink wrote: lazland wrote: Anthony wrote: The most dreadful album Floyd ever made...oh wait, it's not made by Pink Floyd, it's a solo album by Roger Waters. Which is a terrible thing in itself. Waters is the least talented musician in Floyd and therefore the album lacks good melodies, because he doesn't care about those, all he cares about are his lyrics and his ego. Even Gilmour's guitar solo's (of which there aren't many, but when there is one, it's a good one) can't save this dull album. And heartfelt lyrics? I'll let you in on a secret: To write heartfelt lyrics you need a heart. We all know what kind of person Waters is, so him writing lyrics that attack dictators is nothing more than hypocrisy. And to think that after this rubbish even worse was to come with the completely moronic story of "Radio KAOS" makes me just wonder why people still think highly of Waters  Sorry, but this is really unfair. In fact, if you read interviews with those who know him best, or work with him, they all tell the same story - that of a vastly misunderstood anmd exceptionally kind human being. And surely the one thing that nobody can ccuse him of is lacking a heart - just listen to all of those lyrics over all those years. Maybe you are confusing this persona with the one that was at the heart of the Floyd split. By Waters own admission, to be fair to him, this was a story of four huge egos getting in each others way, with his being the largest. He has never taken any pride in this whatsoever - quite the opposite in fact. He once said in a pretty recent interview that he regrets all the fighting that happened after the band split. He didn't have an easy time saying it, but let's be real, who would? And just look at the Live 8 concert. At the end Roger seems so happy to have played with the band again, and it really does look honest.

It most certainly was honest

Nick Mason has said in many interviews that he envied Genesis, because they showed the rest how bands should split. Floyd was just an extreme example of how many bands who split treat each other - usually very badly and with lots of bad blood.

BTW, Anthony, with the greatest possible respect, Richard Wright, may a great musician rest in peace, would probably have ended up seeing a shrink without Waters' help, as I recall him saying himself some years ago. It was his personality, and, of course, seeing a counsellor was and is quite a trendy celeb thing to do.

By all means have a go at the man's music, but I think your comments go to the unacceptable level of personal abuse. As Joel said, do you really have to knock him for his father's death?

What I get tired of is having the same discussion with you over and over, Anthony, get over it.

Anthony wrote: If that's your intepretation of my words, fine. What I wrote is that it seems to me that Waters cannot write about anything else than his father's death and how evil the world is. And that's what I get tired of. I don't need to hear that a zillion times. Then the message doesn't get across anymore because it gets irritating. There are much more things one can write about. So if I was knocking Waters for something, then I was not knocking him for his father's death, but for him whining about it over and over again.

I can understand this. A fair point.