The Final Cut

First time I opened "The Final Cut", I saw in the booklet that it said, "Composed by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd". I was new to Pink Floyd at the time, but that gave me pause on one hand, that one person had so much say as to have to basically label the album as not a full band project in the liner notes.

Anthony wrote: You know what I get tired of? You ask for opinions why someone likes or dislikes this album, but once again it's clear that it's only allowed to say positive things, because if someone dares to say anything negative, he will get flamed for it. It's not like everybody in the whole world likes the same music, you know. Do I attack you because you DO like the album? No, I don't! You want me to get over it, then you should get over the fact that I don't like this album. (And hey, I even said that the guitar solo's of Gilmour were good, but nobody noticed, they only saw the negative).

floydispink wrote: Anthony wrote: You know what I get tired of? You ask for opinions why someone likes or dislikes this album, but once again it's clear that it's only allowed to say positive things, because if someone dares to say anything negative, he will get flamed for it. It's not like everybody in the whole world likes the same music, you know. Do I attack you because you DO like the album? No, I don't! You want me to get over it, then you should get over the fact that I don't like this album. (And hey, I even said that the guitar solo's of Gilmour were good, but nobody noticed, they only saw the negative). NO You started saying you dislike the album, that's what this topic is for, discussing positive and negative opinions. That's good.  What I am annoyed by is that you forget about the album and start discussing only Waters the same way as before.

lazland wrote: Epignosis wrote: I don't have a great deal of respect for Waters as a person or as a musician, but I can oftentimes recognize a work of genius when I see it, and The Final Cut is his. Robert, I often think of The Final Cut a the precussor to Amused to Death, which, IMHO, is THE work of genius by Waters, with both Floyd & solo.

I'm not saying The Final Cut is his only work of genius- just that it is one of his.

TheGazzardian wrote: Anthony - everyone has an opinion :) Unless you know Roger personally, who cares? Your opinion is right, but so is everyone else's. Arguing about someone whose behaviour you can't influence just feels like a lot of work for no gain to me.

Anyway, thanks for the comments so far, people.

Edited by floydispink - January 06 2010 at 17:20

Anthony wrote: floydispink wrote: Anthony wrote: TheGazzardian wrote: Anthony - everyone has an opinion :) Unless you know Roger personally, who cares? Your opinion is right, but so is everyone else's. Arguing about someone whose behaviour you can't influence just feels like a lot of work for no gain to me. True, it's pointless because it's in the past. But what should I have said. "I don't like this, album, period!"? A more elaborate explanation was asked. So that's why I said that because of his behaviour his lyrics seems hypocrisy to me. And then the whole mess started over, because it's not allowed to be negative, even though the opening post asked an explanation why you like or dislike the album. Indeed, who cares? If everyone would think this way, there would be no fighting on these topics. I don't like the album, who cares? Does it make you like the album less or more because you know what I think about it? Does, in general, someone else's opinion make you feel different about your favourite music? It never happened to me anyway. So why bother? If different opinions upset you, then maybe topics like these shouldn't be started, or in this case, maybe the topic should have been titlted "The Final Cut Appreciation Thread". YOU ARE, do I really need to tell you again? No, you don't need to tell me again, as you can see I'm telling it myself.

Anthony wrote:   maybe the topic should have been titlted "The Final Cut Appreciation Thread".

No need. It is in the Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation lounge - no other qualifying words are necessary.

I like almost any album released by Floyd, but this isn't one of my very favourite ones. It's certainly very good, with very good lyrics (as always)... yet, I guess the best lyrics/concept created by Waters as a whole piece is for The Dark Side of the Moon. One of my main complaints about this album is that it's kind of slow (and even boring, perhaps), and when it seems about to have an outburst of emotion, it only lasts for a second. Then comes The Heros Return, which is stronger than previous songs (and I really like it a lot), and it doesn't last long enough. Ofcourse, in Fletcher Memorial Home (amazing lyrics and concept) and The Final Cut we at last get the emotion and energy last long enough, as well as the last two songs which are very good. I guess the album works better in it's remastered version including When the Tigers Broke Free, perhaps the most emotive song he ever created, but unfortunatly I bought the previous version of the album and don't intend to spend money again on it (perhaps if this same album had included The Heroes Return parts 1 & 2 I would have thought about buying it again).
     So, what about it, do you people think When the Tigers Broke Free works well in the album? Do you like the song? Has anyone heard The Heros Return parts 1 AND 2: it is like an extended version of the song, in my opinion it works better and doesn't leave me wishing it lasted longer, I really love the song this way.
     One last thing, I don't really like the song Southampton Dock, but the way it was played on the In The Flesh Live album by Roger Waters really makes it better, if only it had been played in a similar way on the album... with this 3 small changes the album would have worked much better for me.

^ well said, particularly the last bit about excusing one from the thinking side of the form; A Momentary Lapse of Reason is a perfectly OK rock album but a glaring example of the importance of collaboration between what Waters *and* Gilmour provided. A further note-- I saw both that tour and Amused to Death. Gilmour and friends were great the first night, but on the second it became clear this was more a play than a rock concert, a pre-arranged and suffocated version of what used to be a living band. We began to realize we were seeing exactly the same show from the night before, almost note-for-note, gesture-for-gesture. The Waters tour, on the other hand, was one of the better I saw during that period and made me appreciate the album more than I had (always the sign of a good performance).