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American Khatru
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Posted: March 19 2010 at 12:26 |
^ "Dr. Diper", good name! Will you clean off my windshield wiper.
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 Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?
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Dr. Diper
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Posted: March 19 2010 at 13:41 |
Lol, thanks. Only 2 days away from my listen to The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway while driving in my car on the first day of Spring tradition. I don't know why, but the opening title track just suits spring for me.
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My avatar is the vocalist of glam rock/brit pop band Suede (aka the London Suede in USA). They were once good before the guitarist left the band. Albums to hear: self titled debut and 'Dog Man Star.'
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sigod
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Posted: March 19 2010 at 14:42 |
Synchestra wrote:
Kevin Gilbert's lyrics are fantastically sardonic, some of the best I've ever heard. |
I couldn't agree more sir. A couple of listens to The Shaming Of The True taught me that.
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: March 20 2010 at 19:45 |
So when Goldilocks listened to Roger Waters, she said "this lyricist is overrated." And when Goldilocks listened to Ian Anderson she exclaimed "this lyricist is underrated.' But when Goldilocks listened to Peter Gabriel she squealed "this lyricist is rated just right!"
Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - March 20 2010 at 19:49
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American Khatru
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Posted: March 20 2010 at 21:33 |
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
So when Goldilocks listened to Roger Waters, she said "this lyricist is overrated." And when Goldilocks listened to Ian Anderson she exclaimed "this lyricist is underrated.' But when Goldilocks listened to Peter Gabriel she squealed "this lyricist is rated just right!"
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 Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?
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idiotPrayer
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Posted: March 21 2010 at 09:21 |
some of these may be non-prog: Meshuggah (get your dictionary ready), Porcupine Tree, Mastodon, Tool, Radiohead etc
sh*t lyrics: Dream Theater, modern KC, Rush (they have some good stuff though)
note this is an opinion not a statement
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: March 21 2010 at 09:28 |
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that could kill. I will choose a path that's clear - I will choose free will.
Not bad, for sh*t lyrics, eh?
Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - March 21 2010 at 09:40
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idiotPrayer
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Posted: March 21 2010 at 09:45 |
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that could kill. I will choose a path that's clear - I will choose free will.
Not bad, for sh*t lyrics, eh?
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Rush - Freewill ? I think I said that they have some good stuff too, but generally their lyrics are geeky science fiction stuff that's not excactly what I personally like in lyrics. Good music though. "During the band's early years, Peart's lyrics were largely
fantasy/science fiction-focused,
though since 1980 he has focused more on social, emotional, and
humanitarian issues" -wikipedia
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Zombywoof
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Posted: March 21 2010 at 09:50 |
I actually do own a book of Ian Anderson lyrics / poetry!
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Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ...
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thellama73
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Posted: March 21 2010 at 09:54 |
idiotPrayer wrote:
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that could kill. I will choose a path that's clear - I will choose free will.
Not bad, for sh*t lyrics, eh?
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Rush - Freewill ? I think I said that they have some good stuff too, but generally their lyrics are geeky science fiction stuff that's not excactly what I personally like in lyrics. Good music though.
"During the band's early years, Peart's lyrics were largely
fantasy/science fiction-focused,
though since 1980 he has focused more on social, emotional, and
humanitarian issues" -wikipedia
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What, you don't think By-Tor and the Snow Dog is lyrically genius?
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: March 21 2010 at 09:59 |
idiotPrayer wrote:
Rush - Freewill ? I think I said that they have some good stuff too, but generally their lyrics are geeky science fiction stuff that's not excactly what I personally like in lyrics. Good music though.
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Yes. Agreed. 
Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - March 21 2010 at 09:59
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Lizzy
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Posted: March 21 2010 at 10:45 |
Zombywoof wrote:
I actually do own a book of Ian Anderson lyrics / poetry!
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Really? Very intriguing! Because I remember him pretty much loathing being called a poet. Talk about modesty.  Anyways.... good lyrics, if we're talking about Tull, the first song that comes to mind is Heavy Horses. They paint a better image of the beautiful animals than any Stubbs painting. (and I'm a huge Stubbs fan!) Other brilliant lyrics one can find in Spirogyra's Cogwheels, Crutches and Cyanide. ;) There are plenty of good lyrics in prog. You just have to know where to look.
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Crestal Myth
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 13:44 |
Maybe it's just me, but the "best" prog seems to have the worst lyricism (Porcupine Tree [my favourite band], The Mars Volta, etc. All subjective, of course, hence the quotation marks around "best".) The concepts are good, but they are somewhat poorly written. Then again, prog tends to lean away from lyrics and toward simply sounding good.
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Silverbeard McStarr
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 14:20 |
There's plenty of good lyrics in prog. But they tend to be rather eclectic and "odd" compared to other rock genre's lyrics. Folk rock came about as music set to poetry, you can't really beat Dylan. But I personally like several prog rock bands mostly due to their lyrics. My favourite piece of lyrics ever comes from Genesis.
How wonderful to be so profound, when everything you are is dying underground.
It's also very hard to pick out individual pieces of lyrics from a prog rock song. In prog, the lyrics always functions more as a narrative. A story. It's not wise words or pieces of poetic gold. The lyrics in Pink Floyd's The Final Cut are all brilliant, emotional and deep. Yet, you can't really pick out a line that makes everyone go: "ooh, that's smart". Not like Dylan. Hell, some prog even uses lyrics for a technical effect. Take Gentle Giant's Knots.
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Sixes&Sevens
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 17:43 |
I too think Steven Wilson's a really great lyricist.
I genuinely feel that Ian Kenny, of Aussie prog rockers KARNIVOOL, is a phenomenal lyricist, vocalist and storyteller. He's a massive inspiration to me!
Check out some of the stuff from their newest album "Sound Awake" - there's some really really great lyrics on tracks like 'Goliath', 'Set Fire To The Hive', 'Deadman' and 'Change'... it's a beautiful record as well.
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tamijo
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Posted: March 23 2010 at 11:57 |
Hmm Turn the question around, besides Lenon (in a few brilliant moments) Dylan & Morrison.
What non prog songs would be able to even come close to PG or early KC
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Zeromus218
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 01:24 |
I think that Peter Hammill is the real deal... he has got a brilliant poetry. Of course Morrison too, but i don't think that he can be considered in this specifical context.
EDIT: i forgot to say that i really appreciated the lyrics of Arcadium's Breathe Awhile too... really nice ones.
Edited by Zeromus218 - March 24 2010 at 01:25
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shockedjazz
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 10:29 |
Dylan vs Peter Hammill ? Ok but then you find Dylan is singing in horrible voice making songs were three chords repeat all the time....i have my nervous break with "Mr jones" (Please end the song right now)
Hammill instead is playing with a saxophone genius and a musical context that lets the lyrics breathe, and express.
Anyway nothing of Dylan except maybe "Ma im only bleeding" can compare remotely with lyrical effort/geniality of "Pawn Hearts".
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shockedjazz
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 10:32 |
And yes "All along the watchtower"...have to agree and bow to these song.
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 12:17 |
shockedjazz wrote:
Dylan vs Peter Hammill ? Ok but then you find Dylan is singing in horrible voice making songs were three chords repeat all the time....i have my nervous break with "Mr jones" (Please end the song right now)
Hammill instead is playing with a saxophone genius and a musical context that lets the lyrics breathe, and express.
Anyway nothing of Dylan except maybe "Ma im only bleeding" can compare remotely with lyrical effort/geniality of "Pawn Hearts". |
Palm/face connection complete, and I say that as one of the more extreme Hammill fans on here.
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