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CharAznable ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: March 28 2011 Status: Offline Points: 15 |
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Long time lurker here. Hi.
When will people stop using the economy as an excuse when their decisions don't work out? 2009 was a massive success despite the economy being in the toilet. This lineup, plain and simple, is too new/weird to expect the typical NEARFest goer to spend $600 for a weekend. Not that I think that it's a bad lineup.. I bought my tickets this year and I am massively disappointed.. but the reason why past editions are so successful is because you get to see the new bands stand tall among the legends of the 70's. Come for PFM, stay for Cabezas de Cera, so to speak. This year there are no PFM's so it becomes a hard sell, regardless of the economy. |
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TechnicallySpeaking ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: October 30 2010 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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Yes there was a cancelation this year that could have had an impact. Super Sister canceled due to health reasons of one of thier members. Umphreys Mcgee is not really that obscure. They play Jam-Band and progressive and would have played thier more progressive material at NEARFEST. They started as a Pink Floyd cover band and thier live performances are phenominal. I do believe that most of the other bands in the line-up have played at other key festivals in the US in the past such as PROG DAY and ROSFEST. All of the information on NEARFEST including ticket costs are available on thier web site www.nearfest.com. |
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sleeper ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
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In wasnt aware that Raff had her own blog, but I think she definitely hit the nail on the head there. Admitedly though, the NEARfest line-up was very hit-or-miss this year from my point of view. |
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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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I've never
been to Nearfest, but when I look at that line-up I wouldn't be tempted to go. Edited by npjnpj - March 28 2011 at 09:29 |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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For a different take on the matter, see here
Edited by toroddfuglesteg - March 28 2011 at 08:02 |
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TechnicallySpeaking ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: October 30 2010 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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Having attended many NEARFESTs, the problem as I see it is that it was so successful in years past with the patron program and the instant general ticket sellouts, that it became a closed community. It is safe to say that the biggest change in the faces at the festival from year to year were the musicians. I got to know many people on a first name basis. The problem with that is as soon as a segment of that community chose not to attend (for whatever reason), there was not a source of newcomers to replace them. I don't know what all of the issues were leading to the decision to cancel, but it just seemed to me that there was plenty of time to get the word out that tickets were available. If I had not seen the posting on Facebook, I would have only assumed that it sold out in one day like in past years. I think that a word-of-mouth marketing campaign starting with an e-mail to the patrons and vendors may have been enough to get tickets sold. For instance, I have friends that would go to a festival like this, but I never pushed it with them because it had been too hard to get tickets in the past. A lot of people won't sit on the phone for 3 hours waiting to talk to a box office or pay double the ticket price to be a patron, but may buy a ticket if they knew they could simply go to a web site and get a good seat. Anyway that's my 2 cents. I am probably over simplifying what was an overwhelming difficulty. I know the guys managing NEARFEST do a fine job, and I am sure it will be back next year. Prog_Traveler: if you go to Prog Day look for me - I will be with the Quantum Fantay contingent. I will likely be wearing a Paul Reed Smith (PRS) or Until Sunrise T-shirt. Quantum Fantay and Until Sunrise are touring together at the end of August into September and I will be traveling with the bands. |
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Kotro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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I think this year's line-up was very interesting, can't see a problem there. I would gladly pay to see some of those acts on their own.
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Prog_Traveller ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 29 2005 Location: Bucks county PA Status: Offline Points: 1474 |
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Not sure if I have met you before or not. I have been to several NF, RF and PD's. They are all good and all a bit different. I was pretty involved with PD a few years ago. The only fest I go to much anymore is RF and I missed even that one last year.
The band's chosen have been a factor in the lack of ticket sales but I don't think that tells the whole story. Do that many people go to a festival just to see the headliners? Progfans seem to be more hardcore than that. I think the economy is a big factor too but it's hard to say which factor is the biggest. The lineup actually seemed pretty solid but I admit not having really solid headliners for a prog festival is probably the thing that hurt it the most this year. UM just aren't well known enough in prog circles and not enough people whether they be old fans or younger fans know about the New Trolls. I think Curved Air are actually more well known over all than the New Trolls. Anyway, this is too bad and a real bad break for NF. I get the feeling it will be back next year though. |
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TechnicallySpeaking ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: October 30 2010 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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I am highly dissapointed. I had front row tickets! I go every year and with very few exceptions have enjoyed every band that performed. I have enjoyed the mix of "traditional" prog bands and new blood. While I still enjoy a good dose of PFM or Spocks Beard, bands like Pineapple Thief or Until Sunrise is the future. I really enjoy the international flavor that has been a characteristic of this festival in recent years as well. "Progressive" means to evolve and like it or not, that is what's happening. This is an anomoly and I am sure it will be back. I will be at Progday this year, but I will really miss the quality and vibe of NEARFEST weekend. Long live NEARFEST - see you in 2012!
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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There have been plenty of festivals cancelled in Europe, too. They simply have to do it smart and don't let the fans forget that if they wait and remain interested, the return is going to be awesome. (That's how I've seen this marketed, not as a failure.)
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Rune2000 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 23 2004 Location: STHLM, Sweden Status: Offline Points: 1833 |
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I can't exactly say that I found either Nearfest nor the Rosfest even remotely tempting. Luckily I live in Europe and have nice festivals like the local Sweden Rock Festival with Prog acts like Queensryche, Kansas, Hawkwind, Spock's Beard and Evergrey visiting this year.
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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Yes, as much as football being dead when a football team goes out of business. It is sad that Nearfest is cancelled this year. But the prog rock scene is still very healthy. So let's not get too much downhearted and start to shoot ourselves in the foot. I have my personal theories why the festival is cancelled. But I will keep them to myself. |
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The Hemulen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 31 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 5964 |
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Crikey. Being a penniless Brit, attending nearfest has never really been viable for me, though when I was first getting into prog I would torture myself on an anual basis by drooling over the line-up. I have to concur with those who've pointed to this year's line-up as the real nail in the coffin here, though. It's not the economy - the usual crowd would save up and make the effort if the line-up was enticing enough.
Anyway, whatever the reasons, this is a real shame. Nearfest has been a major fixture on the contemporary prog landscape for years now and its impact always goes far beyond those lucky enough to attend. |
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qscprog ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: December 29 2010 Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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It's NOT the economy! It's NOT the cost! It's NOT the death of Prog! It was the line up.The ticket price for three days of great prog at Nearfest is a bargain. Last year sold out as I believe all previous years . I usually buy Patron tickets. This year I almost didn't buy any. Nearfest is a wonderful event!! Next year let's hope for a better outcome with some great Prog bands.
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qscprog ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: December 29 2010 Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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I have been to most Nearfest and I’m disappointed. I must admit though that I only decided to go this year at the last minute. Not to take anything from the bands performing but I though the line up was very poor for this type of festival. When I saw that Umphrey”s Mcgee was the headline act I was very surprised and decided not to go this year but as I said, I changed my mind at the last minute and bought tickets. Nearfest has a special place in my heart and I am very sad to hear this news. Chatting with Stan Whitaker in the lobby, talks and pictures with Anne Haslam, Roger Dean and the wonderful Mark Wilkinson, finally meeting Andy Latimer, seeing once in a life time performances by some of the Prog greats, the people, the CD’s, the list goes on and on. I hope that the Nearfest team swings back to the types of bands we have seen in the past. This is not to say that there should not be a few newer, avant/RIO or lesser known bands (GOD! does anybody remember the awesome Nexus or Cabezas de Cera or Koenji Hyakkei ? ) but the PFMs, Camels, and Strawbs are the draws. And what great Friday nights we have seen. Yes, I am very sad but lets hope the management team at can maybe set up a spot on the site where people can realistically submit bands they would like to see (using common sense cause Gentle Giant ain’t happening ) and have a more “traditional” Nearfest line up. LONG LIVE NEARFEST!!!!!!!
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17579 |
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Here was the line-up for Nearfest And for comparison, the Rosfest line-up. Maybe this sad news will have some good in boosting the Ros show? Edited by Finnforest - March 26 2011 at 09:21 |
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4098 |
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who was lined up to play---in this economy you need lot's of bang for your buck---I would think you need one really big name---like Yes with Moraz ---LOL----
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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Excellent point. If times are lean, you have to cut your clothes accordingly. I see that in other type of entertainment businesses over here in Europe too where we often get special deals which makes it affordable and/or the businesses scales back to just offer the core event. I have no idea why NEARfest was cancelled so I am speaking in general terms and as a reply to Kotro's post.
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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This is a sad situation. In the past 2 weeks I have seen individuals employed to hold up closing business signs in my area. Gas prices are eating us alive. And as usual those gas prices go skyrocketing a few months before summer. The same pattern occurs every year. It's now more difficult for a person with average income to take their kids to the shore without sacrificing the important items on the shopping list at the supermarket. On a personal level, I won't care or indulge in activities that the average person is deprived of due to the burden of gas prices.. I wouldn't give any American business a buffalo nickle for entertainment at the shore. I can think of ways to see the ocean without green backs in my pocket. This happens every summer and eventually people will just have to give up and hopefully if the shore business suffers enough, a message will be revealed to those behind the high jacking gas prices. The more business suffers, the less gas is purchased. Just a dream though I would love to see a turn of the cards. I would love to see more people riding bikes as a response to jacked up gas prices and a solution for practical survival. I hope to see the working middle class individual survive without spending more than a hundred dollars a month on gas. It's a shame that Nearfest has to cancel as a result of B.S. like this when other sources of entertainment (which are questionable), are as big as sliced bread. It's to be expected though when in the last decade or so you could hire GONG to play in your living room. LOL.
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Kotro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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Never been to NEARFest, but its reputation speaks for it, so this is a bit of a surprise. Plenty of prog festivals in debt-stricken Europe are doing well (closer to me, Gouveia Art Rock sold-out in days, but I'm gessing it is a much smaller venue than NEARFest). How many seats were they trying to sell and at what prices? |
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