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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 8046 |
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For God's sake leave 100 words limit. Any woman can tell you longer does not always mean better.
Even more, bad long review is worse than short bad review.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32581 |
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colorofmoney91 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 16 2008 Location: Biosphere Status: Offline Points: 22774 |
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Thanks Mr. Hat
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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I just want to throw in my support for Alan's idea.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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That IS a good point, a longer review even for a bad album is better than short. I can personally say I've bought albums (or games, movies anything) despite negative reviews because they are so uninformative about why it is bad.
"Love beach sucks" OK got it. But take some pride in reviewing. We all know Love Beach sucks but I would be much more impressed with a review going into the music and why they so say, and that'd be deserving of some more attention. |
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colorofmoney91 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 16 2008 Location: Biosphere Status: Offline Points: 22774 |
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On your first point, I totally agree with you. Objectively bad albums to deserve negative reviews, but 300 words gives a longer description minimum to more appropriately and accurately explain why the album is bad rather than 100 words of "this album is bad, so don't buy it" with no details. Someone might be dissuaded from purchasing an album because of a negative yet uninformative review when in reality the reader might very well think the reviewer's negative points sound like a good reason to buy the album! Either good album or bad album, each album deserves a good informative review that serves the reader well. On your second point, non-collab/PR reviews wouldn't be displayed in the featured column anyway, so your point makes no sense in regard to my proposition. EDIT: my last statement sounded blunt and rude, sorry
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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Actually, talking about Rob's reviews is more on-topic than talking about altering the system, IMO
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Don't make me of all people ask to go back on topic.
I'll even use the smiley I hate oh so much Though I will admit, I wanted to punch you Rob when I saw one of your comments about KC and especially "composition > improvisation" I was so mad bro Edited by JJLehto - March 04 2012 at 17:58 |
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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We all already knew how you felt about Anglagard :P As for Harmonium, as I think about it, the only track I ever listen to on that album anymore is Dixie so I don't care :P /evenmoreofftopic
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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By the contrary, telling somebody to save his/her hardly earned money instead of buying a bad album is as important as telling somebody to buy a good album...Probably more, because good albums have at least 20 or 30 reviews, sometimes bad albums have one or two. Believe me, if somebody had told me that Love Beach, GTR or OVO were not what I expected, i would had thanked them a lot, because when I bought the first two I was a student, and needed every dime.
Of course, but I read a long review telling us that every metal album was a work of the Devil, or that all bands from a determined country are sh*t...But none of them were made by Collaborators..This is s problem of quality, not of quantity. Iván
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Yes, but for those albums that are so bad it's therefore not that big a deal. You know what I mean?
You are saying the limit shouldn't be changed because some don't need 300 words, but that hurts good reviews of good albums. Also, as you said if it doesn't need 500 words to say (this is crap) then it shouldn't be showcased anyway ![]() And yes, no one is saying delete reviews because that's terrible, and no one is saying reviews should be judged on the # of words. It needs to be read. As you said Ivan, song long reviews are terrible and make no sense with their criticism, but so do short ones. We've seen 100 word reviews saying "this is terrible, what is wrong with this band they suck" and that's no good. Anywho, that be all my input, really not much else to say. Really hope this is implemented ![]() Edited by JJLehto - March 04 2012 at 17:43 |
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colorofmoney91 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 16 2008 Location: Biosphere Status: Offline Points: 22774 |
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I didn't say eliminate. I just suggested moving them to the side bar where the non-collab reviews are. Like I said, deleting or eliminating reviews is rude and unnecessary. I believe everyone's contribution to the site is worthwhile.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Well, except my first ones (logically about my favorite albums like Foxtrot or Close to the Edge which I transferred from another place where I had published them before that are pretty short) all my reviews have an average of 500 words, but there are a few that have less than 300 words that I'm pretty proud about,
Judging a review for the number of words, is as absurd as judging a book for how many pages it has. If you want to rise the bar, I'm OK, Eliminate ratings without reviews But don't rise the number of words, because sometimes being eloquent with a few words is better than writing gibberish in 300 words. I read some terrible reviews with several hundred words, of people who accuse a band from religious position or for being from a determined country. Iván Note: Just in case, being almost all my reviews above 300 words, if modified, i probably climb to the top 20 or maybe top 10 reviewers, but:
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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No I hear you, I have little willpower to even review the "big" albums and like to focus on lesser known stuff. I agree that looking at your newer work, and everything you said you should be promoted ASAP without needing to redo old reviews, but I have no authority to do so ![]() Hell no Rob that's the best! I love having a WTF!? view on an album. More people that hate it make me feel better ![]() |
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colorofmoney91 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 16 2008 Location: Biosphere Status: Offline Points: 22774 |
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I was going to send you one as a joke but then I remembered how bad I am at sarcastic jokes on the internet. Instead, I challenge you to a duel.
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colorofmoney91 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 16 2008 Location: Biosphere Status: Offline Points: 22774 |
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Oops, sorry
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32581 |
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Speaking of reviews, I finally posted a review of a couple of albums that's broad appeal I simply don't get. I expect plenty of nasty PMs.
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colorofmoney91 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 16 2008 Location: Biosphere Status: Offline Points: 22774 |
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The only reason I have no desire really to touch up my old reviews is because my worst reviews are on albums that already have insane amounts of reviews (KC's discography, Genesis' discography, GG, etc.). And I put my best effort into the "- First Review of This Album -" reviews. Not that I explicitly refuse to edit them anyway.
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32581 |
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I'm not the one who does any promoting. If I were, I would deny you a promotion on the basis of your Kansas reviews. ![]() Seriously, I don't have an answer for the apparent inconsistency regarding old reviews. All I can say is that (again), if I were you, I'd revise my reviews (especially if it meant a status bump). It's a good exercise anyway. I personally think people should invest some time in revising old, poor reviews. Then again, not all of the collaborators were promoted because of their reviews, so there's that to consider. And thank you! The feeling is definitely mutual. ![]() |
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colorofmoney91 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 16 2008 Location: Biosphere Status: Offline Points: 22774 |
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I made a similar joke about James last night and he gave me a similar reaction. I actually feel pretty bad ![]() But I hope your paranoia goes away soon. I also have quite severe paranoia problems occasionally. /off-topic
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