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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bonnek Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 03:56

Sure, and two weeks from now this review will be totally burried and forgotton under piles of (hopefully) more informative points of views, so it's no big deal.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 02:55
Unless you have proof positive Karl we have no choice.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bonnek Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 02:54

Quite the coincidence this review comes a few hours after the album has leaked, so I'm not inclined to believe the reviewer's claim.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 02:50
There are promo copies of Clockwork Angels and several reviews by "professional" reviewers have already been published elsewhere on the internet and in print.
 
We have to take the word of the reviewer when they say they have a promo copy.
 
Robbob's review follows the same format as his other reviews - they are not up to our standards which is why he is not a Prog Reviewer even with the huge number of reviews he has written.
 
If I was a record promoter I would not be sending him any promos based upon his reviews, but marketing is marketing and I doubt that any of these record labels bother to check the credentials of anyone who asks for promo copies for review.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 02:07
Well he could be some kind of co or whatev, because when you take a look at his review history, there are heaps of 'promo' copies. I am not sure what to think, but then again, if we can't prove anything, and he isn't breaking any of our guidelines, then just leave him be.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dtguitarfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 17:27
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Seriously, this makes me mad because I would've loved to have received a promo copy of this and if I had, I would've taken more time and put a lot more thought into my review:
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=763909


Agreed. The guy clearly listened to it once, with low expectations to begin with.

Actually, I was talking amongst the collaborators over on MMA and it's highly possible that this guy didn't listen to the album at all.  I mean, I've talked to people who actually professionally write reviews and Roadrunner is NOT giving out promotional copies.  And if you read the guy's review, he says NOTHING.  Not a single piece of information that couldn't be made up without having ever listened to the album.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 17:23
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Seriously, this makes me mad because I would've loved to have received a promo copy of this and if I had, I would've taken more time and put a lot more thought into my review:
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=763909


Agreed. The guy clearly listened to it once, with low expectations to begin with.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 17:18
No offense to anyone, but I find it funny that people consider Storm Corrosion to be "innovative" or "inventive."  There are several acts who have been making similar music for a long time (and doing it better, in my opinion).


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dtguitarfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 14:41
Seriously, this makes me mad because I would've loved to have received a promo copy of this and if I had, I would've taken more time and put a lot more thought into my review:
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=763909
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 13:50

No, it's not cool, but what can you do? It's not against the rules or anything - both reviews would exceed 100 words without the superflous repeated paragraph, so it's not pointless waffle.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 13:39
I don't know if this has been touched on before, but ...

Is it cool if a person repeats a paragraph in more than one review?



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 07:01
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

though I find the fact that so many people here keep including them in "top 10" metal related lists to be annoying
Where are these top 10 lists?

he is refering to those lists you see  in top tens in the forum. For example there  is a top ten progressive metal one.


It's not just that post either, I have seen in a number of other threads when I, or someone else, asked for recommendations, specifying that they liked things that clearly fall in the Progressive Metal category, MoTW always seems to get thrown in.  Hey, I don't mind recommendations, but when you're dealing with a Prog Metal fan maybe you should preface your MoTW recommendation with a disclaimer that they're not really metal...unless you have a really good imagination? LOL

I never said it was just that one, hence my words "for example".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 07:00
^^ you do need to insert Kayo Dot between Bath / Leaving Your Body Map and Part the Second, then it makes more sense. They are in Post Metal for the former albums, not the latest - we cannot split bands between two subgenres so they go in the one that is most representative of their key "era", which is Avant/Post metal.

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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:


Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

But how can a Maudlin of the Well album be any good if it isn't metal? *laughs hysterically*
Expectations are the death of many reviews...
Hardy har.  Guess what, I didn't rate the album low because it's not metal (though I find the fact that so many people here keep including them in "top 10" metal related lists to be annoying) - I rated it low because I dislike it for many of the same reasons I dislike Twilight: it's whiny and over-rated.  LOL



Reading my reply back, I may have come across a tad too snotty and I apologise for that, but you did use nearly two thirds of your review speaking about how much you are into metal and by now are quite the connoisseur. Hell I talk about the most silly of things whenever I review music, but I always have the album at hand in my thoughts, because generally speaking that's where the inspiration came from. I maybe wrong in your case, but it just seemed like your expectations weren't met because you were counting on it to be metal. I am actually not the biggest fan of this album too, maybe would have given it a 3, but no matter the genre, it still is what it is, and any misconceptions about what one encounters musically in a given album will always be on account of one's own mistakes.
Plus I was mostly laughing at Rob's way of highlighting the review actually.

Ah, no, I'm sorry dude - when I wrote that review I was anticipating someone trashing me in the forums and when I saw the almost instant reaction I came in ready to fight for my honor. LOL


Hey man no biggie - I was also pretty provocative. 
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

though I find the fact that so many people here keep including them in "top 10" metal related lists to be annoying
Where are these top 10 lists?

he is refering to those lists you see  in top tens in the forum. For example there  is a top ten progressive metal one.


It's not just that post either, I have seen in a number of other threads when I, or someone else, asked for recommendations, specifying that they liked things that clearly fall in the Progressive Metal category, MoTW always seems to get thrown in.  Hey, I don't mind recommendations, but when you're dealing with a Prog Metal fan maybe you should preface your MoTW recommendation with a disclaimer that they're not really metal...unless you have a really good imagination? LOL
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:


Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

But how can a Maudlin of the Well album be any good if it isn't metal? *laughs hysterically*
Expectations are the death of many reviews...
Hardy har.  Guess what, I didn't rate the album low because it's not metal (though I find the fact that so many people here keep including them in "top 10" metal related lists to be annoying) - I rated it low because I dislike it for many of the same reasons I dislike Twilight: it's whiny and over-rated.  LOL



Reading my reply back, I may have come across a tad too snotty and I apologise for that, but you did use nearly two thirds of your review speaking about how much you are into metal and by now are quite the connoisseur. Hell I talk about the most silly of things whenever I review music, but I always have the album at hand in my thoughts, because generally speaking that's where the inspiration came from. I maybe wrong in your case, but it just seemed like your expectations weren't met because you were counting on it to be metal. I am actually not the biggest fan of this album too, maybe would have given it a 3, but no matter the genre, it still is what it is, and any misconceptions about what one encounters musically in a given album will always be on account of one's own mistakes.
Plus I was mostly laughing at Rob's way of highlighting the review actually.

Ah, no, I'm sorry dude - when I wrote that review I was anticipating someone trashing me in the forums and when I saw the almost instant reaction I came in ready to fight for my honor. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 06:24
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

 
Technically this review fails the Prog Archives Review Guidelines, while it does not directly criticise individuals or question genre placement, it does by general implication.
 
 
 
I think it does question genre placement but this is something we have learned to live with since genre is defined by band not by album. Genesis We Can't Dance is placed under Symphonic but by now I don't think anybody knowing how the site works will make a big fuss about it in a review.
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^ agreed.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 06:10
Although I'm not much into these styles I think that Part the Second should not be listed in any lists containing the word "metal" (Bath and Leaving Your Body Map certainly can as long as people stretch their understanding of "metal" to include Post Rock / Post Metal / Experimental / Avant Metal / MIO (aka Metal In Opposition) or whatever you want to call it).

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 05:56
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

though I find the fact that so many people here keep including them in "top 10" metal related lists to be annoying
Where are these top 10 lists?

he is refering to those lists you see  in top tens in the forum. For example there  is a top ten progressive metal one.

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Andy's post there says all I need to say:
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

If we're going by all three subs then something like this:
  1. Pain of Salvation- The Perfect Element
  2. Opeth- Blackwater Park
  3. Between the Buried and Me- The Great Misdirect
  4. maudlin of the Well- Leaving Your Body Map
  5. The Pax Cecilia- Blessed are the Bonds
  6. Fen- Epoch
  7. Burst- Lazarus Bird
  8. Virgin Black- Requiem Mezzo Forte
  9. In the Woods...- Liveatthecaledonianhall
  10. Intronaut- Valley of Smoke

If Its just vanilla prog metal then these:

  1. Pain of Salvation- The Perfect Element
  2. Riverside- Anno Domini High Defenition
  3. To-Mera- Earthbound
  4. Dream Theater- Scenes From a Memory: Metropolis Pt2
  5. Dream Theater- Images and Words
  6. Vanden Plas- The God Thing
  7. To-Mera- Delusions
  8. Diablo Swing Orchestra- Sing Along Songs for the Damned and Delerious
  9. Symphony X- V: The New Mythology Suite
  10. Epica- The Divine Conspiracy
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