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CCVP ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
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I've red an article from an Italian scholar that dismissed the claims that he was gay, but I can't seem to find it now. I don't suppose you are just going to believe me out of the blue. ![]()
Yeah, Michelangelo I'm not so sure about as Leo; he was such a drama queen and painted women that looked way too much like men in my eyes. There are way more substance for Michelangelo's case IMO, but Leonardo is THE absolute man, a much more remarkable person for the gay movement.
I don't know, so many of these researches seem to be a dead end. . . And I've never seen any of those "scientists" going through any competent interviewer as I've seen the others that claim that hormones and social background / experiences. i'm not ruling out the possibility, I'm just way more skeptical about genetic "evidence" of gayness; after all, we've all been hearing that science is on the "brink of discovering" the genetic reason for homosexuality for the past 15 years or so and, besides, it does not explain why women are homosexual. Edited by CCVP - June 19 2012 at 00:20 |
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Phideaux ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 27 2007 Status: Offline Points: 378 |
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Uhhh, no, Leonardo had no female lovers of record ever. He had several close male apprentices, one of whom he bequeathed the Mona Lisa to upon his death. He was also accused of practicing sodomy but the charges were dismissed (and some said it was because one of the corespondents' family exerted its influence. Scholars are divided upon whether he was celibate or remained a practicing homosexual, but none have accused him of having female lovers.
He probably lived like his bitter rival Michelangelo, a celibate man who wrote many homoerotic love poems, but was said to be probably celibate. Those gays were probably too afraid to have at it in those days since it was the death penalty for such sexual play. Also, we must stay on top of the research into pre-natal gayness. This just in:
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CCVP ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
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Just some quick rebuts: I don't know much about female homosexuality, but male homosexuality is largely caused by either the "in uthero" environment (excessive/more than usual female hormones inside the uterus when the buy was there) or the social environment; there have been significant researches regarding the part genes play on that, but so far nothing has been proven. As for Leonardo, don't believe everything they say. Leonardo was married to his job(s) in the first place and, second, he had some (female, I must say) lovers. Just because he enjoys the company of other men more than he enjoys women's it does no mean he was gay; don't most married men prefer to hang around their pals and sons than their wives?
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Phideaux ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 27 2007 Status: Offline Points: 378 |
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EDIT: Zoiks, that's 25 minutes of my life I'll never get back!!!
that's good and noble pursuit. It's sad that kids commit suicide because they feel so "wrong" and "different". I suppose this is the era of good role models "coming out". I was talking to a facebook friend who is also a progressive rock artist in a band with his boyfriend. We were talking about the almost total lack of LBGT presence in progressive rock. I think part of that is because Progressive Rock often deals with weightier, conceptual matters in contrast to popular music which is basically about Cars, Love and Partying. I agree with Epi that music is intrinsically NOT Christian or Gay or Auburn, but it can deal with subject matter on those elements, which can unite groups - like Affectionates For Auburn
I wondered if someone would bring me into this... :-) [Thanks Dean for not outing any LBGT prog musicians in this most shaggy dogged thread.]
I think that's part of the point though, Epig (and I have since read the whole thread to learn that you are against homosexuality on moral grounds). You don't need to hear about people's sexual preference because your preference is the default. Some people who are "other" feel alone (which heterosexuals don't feel because they are the norm). So, those who feel "other" feel comfort in knowing that there are other "other" people like them. The quantity of kisses and looks and hearts and roses on TV for hetero people are uncountable. That's why LGBT want to see some representation of themselves on a show, like Ellen, or whoever. There is growing evidence that gayness is genetic and if that is true then there are tiny babies being born who are predestined to become gay and they will need positive role models as well. I saw a recent show in L.A. called Gay Historgy, which was a very interesting show because it celebrated Gay people of note through the centuries. 90% of these gay people are not known to be gay in history because that part of their life has been scrubbed from the official record as being in "poor taste" to talk about. Now, in our post modern world, there are people who want to redress this imbalance. Those who fall in the spectrum of the "norm" have good role models all day long, and have good reflections to compare their lives with. It's those who are living in isolation who crave knowledge that there are other people living with the same story. I was surprised about Leonardo Da Vinci! I mean, he's only the greatest genius who ever lived! Edited by Phideaux - June 17 2012 at 20:44 |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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NO!!!! REALLY? ![]() Actually even though he said so in the seventies there is no real evidence.
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I heard that Peter Gabriel had a big doubt on his heterosexuality and he thought maybe he was bisexual. And David Bowie is bisexual too.
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32588 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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^ they did.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Wow..Nektar are a British band....sheesh...who knew?
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Champion the wonder hoooorse......
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32588 |
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And people wonder why I always use Times New Roman.
Serif fonts = clarity, of which I am a champion. |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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You do know that is a rude word? Coots is ok though.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Well we got that cleared up!
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CCVP ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
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Don't worry, not everybody can understand the internets, IoI. Only Gore and some c**ts like myself.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Kinda cheatin'......but I quite like the video...a bit like the Boosh.....and ioi is meaningless?
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