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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2012 at 04:18
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

I find it funny to come and read through this thread.  Because...now you know what it feels like to be a Dream Theater fan, where not even the Proggies will leave you alone!  Maybe those of you who have been aggravated by people who can't appreciate Firth of Fifth (which IS a great song, by the way) can learn to leave alone the people who say that things you don't appreciate are masterpieces.


I like Firth tons and I will always love Hackett's solo to death but I honestly cannot see where people are coming from when they say it is the best prog song ever and such.  It has very little tension and is ok, sonically speaking, not particularly spectacular.  It wasn't until Genesis were Enossified on the subsequent album that the very sounds they used communicated effectively.  Oh, by the way, I do know exactly where such people are coming from.  Their opinion, as I am from mine.  Which is why I don't understand why does it matter at all if something is the best or not in music.  Is your personal listening experience important or its validation thereof by others whose opinion you probably attach a lot of weight to, irrespective of whether or not you choose to deny it.  I also don't understand some of the overly generalized comments on the tastes of 'haters' on this thread.  It is absolutely ok not to like Firth because there really are not many pieces of music, if any at all, that everybody likes.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2012 at 12:56
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I don't understand why does it matter at all if something is the best or not in music.  Is your personal listening experience important or its validation thereof by others whose opinion you probably attach a lot of weight to, irrespective of whether or not you choose to deny it.

Why would any one of us follow the others blindly and say "Firth of Fifth" is one of the best things there ever was? I think the gentlemen were very sincere about it. As for the rest of what you said, I strongly agree with you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2012 at 19:20
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I don't understand why does it matter at all if something is the best or not in music.  Is your personal listening experience important or its validation thereof by others whose opinion you probably attach a lot of weight to, irrespective of whether or not you choose to deny it.

Why would any one of us follow the others blindly and say "Firth of Fifth" is one of the best things there ever was? I think the gentlemen were very sincere about it. As for the rest of what you said, I strongly agree with you.


That was written in response to dtguitarfan and the agony he puts himself through because some people don't like "the best band in the world". 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2012 at 20:15
I don't think the original poster would have any problem with someone saying "Firth of Fifth is great, but not the greatest."  What bothers him is that people are trashing it.  Same here with DT.  People LOVE to get on here and trash every great band.  Have a little respect is all I'm saying.  It's like every band that was ever successful is a target around here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2012 at 21:09
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

I don't think the original poster would have any problem with someone saying "Firth of Fifth is great, but not the greatest."  What bothers him is that people are trashing it.  Same here with DT.  People LOVE to get on here and trash every great band.  Have a little respect is all I'm saying.  It's like every band that was ever successful is a target around here.

So?  Do you not trash bubblegum pop just because, from your prism, it is terrible music?  Do you ever pause to think that your poison might be somebody else's meat?  It's simple, if I am made to listen to something I don't like, I may not have something nice to say about it.  Would you ever return to a restaurant or say it's a good place to eat if your first experience there was disastrous? You'd probably be afraid to recommend it lest your friends curse you for making a poor suggestion.  It's only in the arts that this one sided political correctness business is observed wherein "my favourite piece of music shalt never be dissed, but I shalt diss what I think is crap".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2012 at 21:32
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I'd like to hear Fred Frith do Firth of Fifth...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2012 at 23:26
Its a great track, how odd it is they all hated it.

IF ONLY WE COULD ALL GET ALONG...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2012 at 00:30
I always thought Firth of Fifth was one of the highlights from SEBTP. It's a great song. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2012 at 05:22
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

I don't think the original poster would have any problem with someone saying "Firth of Fifth is great, but not the greatest."  What bothers him is that people are trashing it.  Same here with DT.  People LOVE to get on here and trash every great band.  Have a little respect is all I'm saying.  It's like every band that was ever successful is a target around here.

So?  Do you not trash bubblegum pop just because, from your prism, it is terrible music?  Do you ever pause to think that your poison might be somebody else's meat?  It's simple, if I am made to listen to something I don't like, I may not have something nice to say about it.  Would you ever return to a restaurant or say it's a good place to eat if your first experience there was disastrous? You'd probably be afraid to recommend it lest your friends curse you for making a poor suggestion.  It's only in the arts that this one sided political correctness business is observed wherein "my favourite piece of music shalt never be dissed, but I shalt diss what I think is crap".

Oh my, all those poor people who are FORCED to listen to Dream Theater...wait, that's no one.  Pop on the other hand - you can't escape it.  It's in the grocery stores, the gyms, the restaurants - the only way to avoid it would be to not leave your house.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2012 at 07:01
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:


Oh my, all those poor people who are FORCED to listen to Dream Theater...wait, that's no one.  Pop on the other hand - you can't escape it.  It's in the grocery stores, the gyms, the restaurants - the only way to avoid it would be to not leave your house.

For the love of god, don't turn on the TV or radio and stay the hell away from the interntet. Shocked
Of the three examples,
I have heard Sylvia on the sound system at a grocery store, my gym plays "classic rock" so there is the occasional hit by a prog artist, and if your restaurant has a modern jukebox, you just may be able to find some prog on it.  I have this funny story when I was in college eating at a Pizza Inn.  The box had a single that was I think Brick In The Wall on the A side and One Of My Turns on the B.  Of course I put in money (Money?Tongue)  for the B side.  It didn't come on until were getting up to leave.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2012 at 10:15
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

 
Oh my, all those poor people who are FORCED to listen to Dream Theater...wait, that's no one.  Pop on the other hand - you can't escape it.  It's in the grocery stores, the gyms, the restaurants - the only way to avoid it would be to not leave your house.

I am sorry but that's absolutely irrelevant to this discussion.   If I am recommended something and I don't like it, I am entitled to say so.  Sometimes, my reaction would not be completely tempered.  That's inevitable because music induces emotions from us, the kind that make you bring up Dream Theater even on a Firth of Fifth thread, for instance.  Wink  And anyhow, get done with beating around the bush already....you don't like pop and therefore you feel like expressing your dislike.  Being subjected to it in supermarkets or restaurants only aggravates your irritation but the point is you don't enjoy it.  You think it's ok to diss supposedly unskilled music but not a bunch of super talented musicians playing crap.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2012 at 10:20
I  kind of agree with  dt...I  am  subjected to all  sorts of sh*t music in the supermarket. And I have no choice except to  leave.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2012 at 10:25
Sorry, but I still don't see how that ties up with nursing indignation that people don't rate a band as highly as you, as in a figurative you, do.  Here's the OP again:
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It was trashed to f**k by all...

"nice piano intro...turned into generic prog" "boring" etc 3/10 was average"


Er, they are entitled to think it's boring,no?  The OP has actually only asked if he was overrating it for some reason which somehow turned into a pretext for dtg to rant against DT 'haters'.  When somebody doesn't like any music I suggested and makes it plain, I just stop and move on.  It's best for both sides.  I cannot force him to listen to something he doesn't enjoy and I also cannot modify my opinion of the music just to match it with his.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2012 at 11:11
Originally posted by Los_Endos Los_Endos wrote:

Ok. I am in this other forum that has bugger all to do with music...


There's your problem. You're asking a non music site to appreciate music. Firth of Fifth is a masterpiece of rock music and the solo is probably the greatest guitar solo I've ever heard, however you must have an appreciation for music to understand what makes it so special over say, your generic Led Zep tune. (Cue tomatos)

What forum is it? What sort of things were others posting? Did that spark your musical tastebuds like Genesis?

Edited by Zombywoof - July 02 2012 at 11:17
Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2012 at 11:44
Is this about Genesis?
Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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