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Guldbamsen 
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 Posted: June 17 2013 at 06:51 |
He does have a point though - we'll definitely see the difference.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
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Manuel
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 09:29 |
For sound quality - Vynil For convenience - CD For practicality - Digital
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 09:41 |
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Cd for sound quality. Gets my vote. I love the cd. Mp3 digital is great for non collectors and those interested in saving money.
As for vinyl. I absolutely love the large gatefold album art editions on some vinyl records. Presentation is superb, but I prefer sound Over style, so the cd wins for me.
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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TheGazzardian
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 09:59 |
 Floyd Steely wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Not true music lovers? What was I doing, f$&king off? |
Long answer: What you were doing was missing out on an enormous and essential part of the music experience: going to record stores, searching through bins, getting turned on by what you heard in the store, talking to other people, having a story to go along with each item, and going home with a prized new possession that you'll perhaps love and cherish forever. It may be impossible to comprehend if you're of the post-Napster age (I have no idea how old you are), but today's younger listeners are unwittingly denying themselves the real pleasures of building a personal music library and loving the full experience thereof.
Short answer: Yes. |
This answer is as arrogant as those who claim the music they love is the only 'good' music and look down their noses at anyone who disagrees.
There is no uniform, best experience when it comes to a hobby or enjoyable task. There are only your personal experiences. What you describe may be something that makes music worthwhile to you ... but that doesn't mean anyone else has to agree. If some snob came to you and said, "I only listen to music live, trying to capture that moment in recordings just removes all the experience, the screaming crowd, the sweat and smell of beer, the stories etc..." you probably wouldn't agree.
I buy tons of music and have an entire room in my house dedicated to storing my music collection and listening to it. One of my best friends is a huge music lover, but he deletes music all the time, only keeps songs he likes, his music collection is a living, breathing thing, not a monster that accumulates dust and takes up space. We both love music in our own way and neither of us would enjoy music the same if we were to swap.
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Stool Man
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 10:19 |
CDs are ok, but the 25 square inches of artwork is rubbish when compared with the 144 square inches of the same artwork on LP - almost six times bigger. Who puts CD posters on the wall? And the best prog was made before there were any CDs. Reissues are sometimes iffy
worst is ipod. Having one small gadget with 10,000 tracks is convenient, is it? How long will it take to listen to all that? And who listens to music for convenience anyway?
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 10:22 |
Floyd Steely wrote:
People who don't purchase the physical product are NOT true music lovers. |
Couldn't one also say that people who don't play an instrument (or sing) are not true music lovers? Or that people who don't go to live music concerts are not true music lovers? Or that people that only like/listen to studio recordings because they dislike the flaws and changes in the songs' live performances are not true music lovers? Or that people who don't like classical or __________ (fill in your choice of music genre) music are not true music lovers?
I guess my points are: What is music (and who gets to define it) and what constitutes a "love" for music?
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Drew Fisher
https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/
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Gerinski
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 10:28 |
Stool Man wrote:
Having one small gadget with 10,000 tracks is convenient, is it? How long will it take to listen to all that?
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That is relevant. The growing easy abundance of music has likely some impact on the listening experience. There are plenty of popular sayings in the sense that 'something scarce or which takes effort to get is more valued' and 'the more plenty something is, or if it comes without any effort, the less it gets appreciated'. Getting a new album in the 70's was an event, you would focus on listening to it and squeezing the last drop out of it. Nowadays getting an album is just pushing a key, often listen to it once and leave it in the hard drive until who knows when.
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Mr. Mustard
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 10:59 |
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Vinyl is too expensive, and I like having the product in my hand, so CD's.
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Hercules
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 11:07 |
Junges wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I wish people would stop saying vinyl sounds so much better. It doesn't. |
I wish people would stop saying vinyl doesn't sound so much better. It does.
I've heard CDs all my life, since I was a kid. I changed recently to vinyls and the difference is HUGE. The instruments sound better, I noticed a lot of details that one couldn't hear before in the CD. And you can feel the difference by far.
Research about the difference on the internet. Watch youtube videos playing the same record on vinyl and cd. You will see the difference. |
"I wish people would stop saying vinyl doesn't sound so much better. It does."
People who say otherwise have simply never heard a truly top flight vinyl player, like a Pink Triangle Anniversary, Nottingham Analogue Annalog or a Wilson Benesch Full Circle (never mind the ridiculously expensive decks costing £250k).
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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Hercules
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 11:11 |
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Paradoxically, another advantage of vinyl is that it isn't so easy to skip tracks as on CDs, so you listen to the whole album as the band intended.
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 12:30 |
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Unless you love the snap crackle and pop, CD for the sound quality. Losless would be OK but for the lack of a hard copy of album art. Album art is of course the LP's greatest virtue. Unless you have a fetish for needle noise, vinyl does not sound better. Granted a lot CDs back in the day were just copies of the vinyl master and weren't worthy....
Edited by Slartibartfast - June 17 2013 at 12:40
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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PabstRibbon
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 12:39 |
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I have a huge cd collection but now I prefer to buy vinyls. I love to look at the artwork while the music is playing and I love the overall feeling.
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 13:20 |
Hercules wrote:
Paradoxically, another advantage of vinyl is that it isn't so easy to skip tracks as on CDs, so you listen to the whole album as the band intended. |
True!! You have to go by pure sense and guesstimating
Ahhh. That would piss me off!!
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 13:24 |
Stool Man wrote:
CDs are ok, but the 25 square inches of artwork is rubbish when compared with the 144 square inches of the same artwork on LP - almost six times bigger. Who puts CD posters on the wall? And the best prog was made before there were any CDs. Reissues are sometimes iffy
worst is ipod. Having one small gadget with 10,000 tracks is convenient, is it? How long will it take to listen to all that? And who listens to music for convenience anyway? |
Well I wouldn't say it's pure rubbish. That's a bit over the top, but vinyl music artwork presentation is better cause bigger, in this case, is better! :)
Actually. A lot of my favourite albums aren't available on vinyl anyway, but over the last 5 years vinyl is making a huge comeback which is great to see. :)
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cemego
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 13:29 |
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Vinyl is nice. CDs are worthless, and both are a pain in the ass to move. Give me a hard drive full of MP3s ripped from vinyl. Then you aren't lugging tons of THINGS around. Try moving your house or apartment with CDs, vinyl, and tape and let me know how your back feels. And you don't have to dust off an MP3 and jpg.
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listen to streaming stuff! no commercials!
http://wmom.servemp3.com:8000/listen.pls
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Dean
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 13:38 |
Most images designed for 12" album covers look awful shrunk down to CD size.
Most images designed for CD size inlays look awful enlarged to a 12" album cover.
Most album cover images are not scalable. Design the image to fit the format - it's not rocket science.
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What?
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 13:53 |
progbethyname wrote:
Stool Man wrote:
CDs are ok, but the 25 square inches of artwork is rubbish when compared with the 144 square inches of the same artwork on LP - almost six times bigger. Who puts CD posters on the wall? And the best prog was made before there were any CDs. Reissues are sometimes iffy
worst is ipod. Having one small gadget with 10,000 tracks is convenient, is it? How long will it take to listen to all that? And who listens to music for convenience anyway? |
Well I wouldn't say it's pure rubbish. That's a bit over the top, but vinyl music artwork presentation is better cause bigger, in this case, is better! :)
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Not just bigger, but with vinyl you had the album covers that were not just a flat sleeve, but artistic statements...The "Thick as a Brick" foldout newspaper, "A Passion Play" theater program, "Sticky Fingers" working zipper, "Brain Salad Surgery" foldout cover, "The World Became the World" island pull out, etc. Plus many included extra artwork large enough to put on your wall - the Pink Floyd DSOTM poster, ELP 12" x 12" band photos, Beatles White Album poster and band photos, and it goes on and on...
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 13:58 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
Stool Man wrote:
CDs are ok, but the 25 square inches of artwork is rubbish when compared with the 144 square inches of the same artwork on LP - almost six times bigger. Who puts CD posters on the wall? And the best prog was made before there were any CDs. Reissues are sometimes iffy
worst is ipod. Having one small gadget with 10,000 tracks is convenient, is it? How long will it take to listen to all that? And who listens to music for convenience anyway? |
Well I wouldn't say it's pure rubbish. That's a bit over the top, but vinyl music artwork presentation is better cause bigger, in this case, is better! :)
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Not just bigger, but with vinyl you had the album covers that were not just a flat sleeve, but artistic statements...The "Thick as a Brick" foldout newspaper, "A Passion Play" theater program, "Sticky Fingers" working zipper, "Brain Salad Surgery" foldout cover, "The World Became the World" island pull out, etc. Plus many included extra artwork large enough to put on your wall - the Pink Floyd DSOTM poster, ELP 12" x 12" band photos, Beatles White Album poster and band photos, and it goes on and on... |
Ya mon! Centerfolds and gatefold portraits rule!!!
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 14:01 |
Hercules wrote:
Paradoxically, another advantage of vinyl is that it isn't so easy to skip tracks as on CDs, so you listen to the whole album as the band intended. |
Great point. Getting into a prog album ended up being a matter of digesting it in ~20 minute chunks. When I got "Brain Salad Surgery", I had to listen to "Still You Turn Me On" just to get to "Karn Evil 9"...Greg Lake was one sneaky producer
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Dean
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 14:07 |
progbethyname wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
Stool Man wrote:
CDs are ok, but the 25 square inches of artwork is rubbish when compared with the 144 square inches of the same artwork on LP - almost six times bigger. Who puts CD posters on the wall? And the best prog was made before there were any CDs. Reissues are sometimes iffy
worst is ipod. Having one small gadget with 10,000 tracks is convenient, is it? How long will it take to listen to all that? And who listens to music for convenience anyway? |
Well I wouldn't say it's pure rubbish. That's a bit over the top, but vinyl music artwork presentation is better cause bigger, in this case, is better! :)
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Not just bigger, but with vinyl you had the album covers that were not just a flat sleeve, but artistic statements...The "Thick as a Brick" foldout newspaper, "A Passion Play" theater program, "Sticky Fingers" working zipper, "Brain Salad Surgery" foldout cover, "The World Became the World" island pull out, etc. Plus many included extra artwork large enough to put on your wall - the Pink Floyd DSOTM poster, ELP 12" x 12" band photos, Beatles White Album poster and band photos, and it goes on and on... |
Ya mon! Centerfolds and gatefold portraits rule!!! |
Unless your eyes are 8" apart this is never going to work as a 12" cover, gatefold or not:
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