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progbethyname
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 14:24 |
Dean wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
Stool Man wrote:
CDs are ok, but the 25 square inches of artwork is rubbish when compared with the 144 square inches of the same artwork on LP - almost six times bigger. Who puts CD posters on the wall? And the best prog was made before there were any CDs. Reissues are sometimes iffy
worst is ipod. Having one small gadget with 10,000 tracks is convenient, is it? How long will it take to listen to all that? And who listens to music for convenience anyway? | Well I wouldn't say it's pure rubbish. That's a bit over the top, but vinyl music artwork presentation is better cause bigger, in this case, is better! :) |
Not just bigger, but with vinyl you had the album covers that were not just a flat sleeve, but artistic statements...The "Thick as a Brick" foldout newspaper, "A Passion Play" theater program, "Sticky Fingers" working zipper, "Brain Salad Surgery" foldout cover, "The World Became the World" island pull out, etc. Plus many included extra artwork large enough to put on your wall - the Pink Floyd DSOTM poster, ELP 12" x 12" band photos, Beatles White Album poster and band photos, and it goes on and on... | Ya mon! Centerfolds and gatefold portraits rule!!! |
Unless your eyes are 8" apart this is never going to work as a 12" cover, gatefold or not:
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I literally had to look severely cross-eyed in order to fulfill looking at the 10000 day 3d images. Lol. It was a struggle, but I got it to work...visually speaking. Had a nice headache after. :)
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Hercules
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 14:24 |
Anyone got Grave New World on vinyl?
The music is brilliant but the artwork on the cover and lyric booklet are utterly sublime.
Getting it on CD would be like eating beef wellington out of a newspaper.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 14:27 |
Predictably I collect vinyl for the uh..... vinyl and the um.........cover art. I luv coloured vinyl especially the blue Levitation. Oh and I quite like my puke coloured Wayne County and the Electric Chairs album ...or is that Jayne County (I forget). I also like some single covers such as XTC making plans for Nigel came with a free game. I am collecting Barney Bubbles too (genious). I only buy vinyl if there is something unusual about it otherwise I buy CDs because I am old and senile and I like to have something physical so I don't lose it. I very occasionally download stuff that I can't find elsewhere.
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 14:30 |
Hercules wrote:
Anyone got Grave New World on vinyl?
The music is brilliant but the artwork on the cover and lyric booklet are utterly sublime.
Getting it on CD would be like eating beef wellington out of a newspaper. |
Do you mean BRAVE new world by Iron Maiden?
If so. That is one of my very favourite albums covers of all time. I'd be scared getting that on vinyl cause I don't how long it would take for me to stop starring at it. Lol probably look like a dirty perv checking out a 6 year-old.
It's just so wrong. Lol I'm sticking with the unattractive cd version...the equivalent to my ex girlfriend. Lol
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Hercules
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 15:29 |
progbethyname wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Anyone got Grave New World on vinyl?
The music is brilliant but the artwork on the cover and lyric booklet are utterly sublime.
Getting it on CD would be like eating beef wellington out of a newspaper. |
Do you mean BRAVE new world by Iron Maiden?
If so. That is one of my very favourite albums covers of all time. I'd be scared getting that on vinyl cause I don't how long it would take for me to stop starring at it. Lol probably look like a dirty perv checking out a 6 year-old. It's just so wrong. Lol I'm sticking with the unattractive cd version...the equivalent to my ex girlfriend. Lol |
Er no - I mean Grave New World by Strawbs.
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 15:51 |
Hercules wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Anyone got Grave New World on vinyl?
The music is brilliant but the artwork on the cover and lyric booklet are utterly sublime.
Getting it on CD would be like eating beef wellington out of a newspaper. | Do you mean BRAVE new world by Iron Maiden? If so. That is one of my very favourite albums covers of all time. I'd be scared getting that on vinyl cause I don't how long it would take for me to stop starring at it. Lol probably look like a dirty perv checking out a 6 year-old. It's just so wrong. Lol I'm sticking with the unattractive cd version...the equivalent to my ex girlfriend. Lol |
Er no - I mean Grave New World by Strawbs. |
The naked guy posing like the di Vinci painting?
Na. You want this.
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Hercules
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 16:24 |
progbethyname wrote:
Hercules wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Anyone got Grave New World on vinyl?
The music is brilliant but the artwork on the cover and lyric booklet are utterly sublime.
Getting it on CD would be like eating beef wellington out of a newspaper. | Do you mean BRAVE new world by Iron Maiden? If so. That is one of my very favourite albums covers of all time. I'd be scared getting that on vinyl cause I don't how long it would take for me to stop starring at it. Lol probably look like a dirty perv checking out a 6 year-old. It's just so wrong. Lol I'm sticking with the unattractive cd version...the equivalent to my ex girlfriend. Lol |
Er no - I mean Grave New World by Strawbs. |
The naked guy posing like the di Vinci painting?
Na. You want this.
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No - I want "Glad Day" by William Blake, which is the front cover of Grave New World. But the Buddhist artwork on the rest of the album cover and lyric booklet is equally magnificent.
The point is, the CD artwork is just useless by comparison.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 16:43 |
Stool Man wrote:
worst is ipod. Having one small gadget with 10,000 tracks is convenient, is it? |
Yes, yes it is.
Stool Man wrote:
How long will it take to listen to all that? And who listens to music for convenience anyway? |
So if I'm driving in my car, or sitting on a train, or sitting on the beach and fancy listening to any one of 1000 albums I can select it and listen to it. Damn that sound like it would be nice. Good luck playing your vinyl in any of those situations. Listening to music doesn't have to be an event, it can just be easy & fun.
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 17:20 |
Hercules:
"No - I want "Glad Day" by William Blake, which is the front cover of Grave New World. But the Buddhist artwork on the rest of the album cover and lyric booklet is equally magnificent.
The point is, the CD artwork is just useless by comparison."
I agree the artwork is great so I pull out the vinyl to gaze upon while I listen to the CD.
Nuff said,,?
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 01:59 |
I totally agree with you. Playing vinyl is great because it feels authentic, but iPods provide a convenient way to enjoy music.
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 03:23 |
Sorry, as someone who grew up with vinyl I'm voting CD without question. Whilst I appreciate the aesthetics of vinyl, the superior artwork and the nostalgia angle, I just cannot bear the thought of scratched albums, jumping stylus etc.
The sound may be superior if you're prepared to pay an absolute sh*tload of money for a top notch turntable and stylus, but I don't have that sort of cash and will stick with CDs thanks.
Digital is a medium I'll use to buy out of print or very expensive cds, also for artists who make little effort with their cover art so you're missing nothing in not having the physical product (numerous underground electronic artists come to mind). I recently got Schulze's Mirage on mp3 - have you seen how much that is going for on cd?
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Rando
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 03:32 |
Roj wrote:
Sorry, as someone who grew up with vinyl I'm voting CD without question. Whilst I appreciate the aesthetics of vinyl, the superior artwork and the nostalgia angle, I just cannot bear the thought of scratched albums, jumping stylus etc.
The sound may be superior if you're prepared to pay an absolute sh*tload of money for a top notch turntable and stylus, but I don't have that sort of cash and will stick with CDs thanks.
Digital is a medium I'll use to buy out of print or very expensive cds, also for artists who make little effort with their cover art so you're missing nothing in not having the physical product (numerous underground electronic artists come to mind). I recently got Schulze's Mirage on mp3 - have you seen how much that is going for on cd?
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I also grew up with vinyl. True, analog became very expensive and I don't miss having to take back scratchy or warped vinyl numerous times. But I do miss the big album cover art, fold outs, posters, etc. Funny, I used to have Genesis 'Selling England By The Pound' on cassette!
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 05:52 |
Completely besides the point, but I'd love to hear how an 8 track sounds. Is the sound close to that of a cassette?
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Dean
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 06:01 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Completely besides the point, but I'd love to hear how an 8 track sounds. Is the sound close to that of a cassette? |
about the same, but with *clunk* *whrrrr* *clunk* every 8 minutes. Really not an enjoyable way to listen to a 20 minute prog epic.
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Gerinski
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 11:58 |
A lot of music at home in my early childhood was on reel to reel tape recorder-player. I can't remember much about the quality though, I guess I had little to compare to but the radio and that vintage mono 'suitcase' vinyl player with a speaker in its lid. But I seem to remember that it allowed quite long recording time, maybe 2 LP's per tape reel? (not sure at all, just trying to remember)
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 12:01 |
Dean wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
Completely besides the point, but I'd love to hear how an 8 track sounds. Is the sound close to that of a cassette? |
about the same, but with *clunk* *whrrrr* *clunk* every 8 minutes. Really not an enjoyable way to listen to a 20 minute prog epic. |
Good thing it was obsolete by the time an album like Amarok was released 
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Dean
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 12:21 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Dean wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
Completely besides the point, but I'd love to hear how an 8 track sounds. Is the sound close to that of a cassette? |
about the same, but with *clunk* *whrrrr* *clunk* every 8 minutes.
Really not an enjoyable way to listen to a 20 minute prog epic. |
Good thing it was obsolete by the time an album like Amarok was released  |
Co-incidentally, one of the first albums I heard on 8-track was Tubular Bells (the other was Tea For The Tillerman)
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 07:09 |
Do some math and you can figure out where the fadeout and 'ker-chunk' sounds are on "Gates of Delirium" and "Sound Chaser". Not to mention the sound quality was fairly bland and there was lots of tape hiss. 8-tracks were mostly for cars before cassettes became available and affordable. I had three suitcase-sized boxes full of those damn things laying on my car's back seat. The tapes also jammed in the players a lot, which meant you had to carry around scotch tape and a razor blade to splice them back together, and a flat-headed screwdriver to open the tape case. These were never a good way to listen to music.
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Dean
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 07:33 |
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 11:06 |
Ya, I remember my Selling England by the Pound 8-track had a fadeout/track change right before the "They call me the Reverend..." section of Epping forest...used to drive me nuts 
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