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Gerinski 
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 Posted: June 20 2013 at 11:18 |
 ClemofNazareth wrote:
The tapes also jammed in the players a lot, which meant you had to carry around scotch tape and a razor blade to splice them back together, and a flat-headed screwdriver to open the tape case. |
Yeah, we never had an 8-track but I used tons of scotch tape with cassettes too! (and before that with the reel tapes of my dad). What times... and now some complain that they don't like CD sound quality 
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 12:51 |
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Question. Is a 180gram vinyl record the highest quality of vinyl you can get?
Is it the equivalent to say, an SACD format? Just curious.
Also. Quality Turn Tables are so expensive and vinyl records are not cheap at all.
I could never by all my favourites on Vinyl. Too much $$. If I were rich I'd do it because it would be nice to have the latest and greatest in both audio formats analogue and Digital. I have great Digital HD equipment and I can't immagine anything sounding better than that, but it all depends on what you like.
Analogue fanatics ususally say the timbre levels in the instruments are heightened more than any other sound format.
Digital heads say you get the best sound dynamics and most refined midrange that rally does create the feeling of a live sound stage. I tend to agree with this one cause I've experienced the digital end of sound properly.
Be great to hear a really beefed up Analogue system with a top notch warn tube amp.
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Hercules
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Joined: June 14 2007
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 13:51 |
progbethyname wrote:
Question. Is a 180gram vinyl record the highest quality of vinyl you can get?
Is it the equivalent to say, an SACD format? Just curious.
Also. Quality Turn Tables are so expensive and vinyl records are not cheap at all.
I could never by all my favourites on Vinyl. Too much $$. If I were rich I'd do it because it would be nice to have the latest and greatest in both audio formats analogue and Digital. I have great Digital HD equipment and I can't immagine anything sounding better than that, but it all depends on what you like.
Analogue fanatics ususally say the timbre levels in the instruments are heightened more than any other sound format.
Digital heads say you get the best sound dynamics and most refined midrange that rally does create the feeling of a live sound stage. I tend to agree with this one cause I've experienced the digital end of sound properly.
Be great to hear a really beefed up Analogue system with a top notch warn tube amp.
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"Quality Turn Tables are so expensive".
They can be, but some of the Project and Rega models give very acceptable sound and won't break the bank.
"Question. Is a 180gram vinyl record the highest quality of vinyl you can get?"
Certainly, 180g vinyl gives a more solid sound than ordinary mass albums, largely due to the reduction of resonances, which is why I usually buy them. I'm not entirely sure of the merits of virgin vinyl, though.
"Be great to hear a really beefed up Analogue system with a top notch warn tube amp."
Despite being a huge fan of analogue, tube amps don't do it for me. I use a transistor amp for transient speed and detail. If you're ever in the UK and happen to be coming near York, drop me a private message and I'd be happy to demo just how good an analogue system £10k can buy.
Edited by Hercules - June 20 2013 at 13:51
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 13:55 |
^Won't break the bank. 
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 16:05 |
progbethyname wrote:
Question. Is a 180gram vinyl record the highest quality of vinyl you can get?
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There are some manufacturers who make 200gram vinyl records, but they tend to be more expensive than they're worth IMHO. They don't sound any better but supposedly are less susceptible to warping.
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 16:14 |
Anyone remember these? I can rember getting stuff like Tony DeFranco and the Archies on cereal boxes and in magazines. Terrible recording quality and they usually tracked poorly too, but it was a cheap way to distribute songs...
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
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Hercules
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 16:28 |
Snow Dog wrote:
^Won't break the bank. |
No, it won't.
A Rega P1 costs around £300. It sounds very good. A Project Essential about £200; not quite as good as the Rega, but still much more than acceptable.
Should you be, like me, very old, semi-retired and fortunate enough to have earned/inherited sufficient money to buy more or less what I want, you can pay a lot more, but good turntables are within the reach of almost anyone.
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 16:28 |
Hercules wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
Question. Is a 180gram vinyl record the highest quality of vinyl you can get? Is it the equivalent to say, an SACD format? Just curious. Also. Quality Turn Tables are so expensive and vinyl records are not cheap at all. I could never by all my favourites on Vinyl. Too much $$. If I were rich I'd do it because it would be nice to have the latest and greatest in both audio formats analogue and Digital. I have great Digital HD equipment and I can't immagine anything sounding better than that, but it all depends on what you like. Analogue fanatics ususally say the timbre levels in the instruments are heightened more than any other sound format. Digital heads say you get the best sound dynamics and most refined midrange that rally does create the feeling of a live sound stage. I tend to agree with this one cause I've experienced the digital end of sound properly. Be great to hear a really beefed up Analogue system with a top notch warn tube amp. :) |
"Quality Turn Tables are so expensive".
They can be, but some of the Project and Rega models give very acceptable sound and won't break the bank.
"Question. Is a 180gram vinyl record the highest quality of vinyl you can get?"
Certainly, 180g vinyl gives a more solid sound than ordinary mass albums, largely due to the reduction of resonances, which is why I usually buy them. I'm not entirely sure of the merits of virgin vinyl, though.
"Be great to hear a really beefed up Analogue system with a top notch warn tube amp."
Despite being a huge fan of analogue, tube amps don't do it for me. I use a transistor amp for transient speed and detail. If you're ever in the UK and happen to be coming near York, drop me a private message and I'd be happy to demo just how good an analogue system £10k can buy. |
How incredibly kind of you. Yeah. 10k that's around how much I've spent on my digital toys.
It is really worth it though. Anyway, I'll definitely keep your offer in mind. Be great to hear the differences analogue truly capture. Thanks Herc!
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 16:30 |
Hercules wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^Won't break the bank. |
No, it won't.
A Rega P1 costs around £300. It sounds very good. A Project Essential about £200; not quite as good as the Rega, but still much more than acceptable.
Should you be, like me, very old, semi-retired and fortunate enough to have earned/inherited sufficient money to buy more or less what I want, you can pay a lot more, but good turntables are within the reach of almost anyone.
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That sounds really reasonable. I think one day I should buy something like this. I just would have to hear it of course first. ;)
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Codera the Great
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 10:56 |
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CDs for me. I would love to hear the sound of a good ole' vinyl record, but I don't have a record player unfortunately and they are really expensive (have a couple of vinyls that I can't play :'( ), and there's nothing tangible or special about just a digital copy (which I only get if there's no other choice or if i'm especially low on money). With a CD, I get the physical product and the digital copy to put on the computer and ipod all at once, and if something happens to my computer in which my music gets deleted, I can simply re-add it back up just like that. It's the best of both worlds as far as I'm concerned. 300+ CDs and counting. ;)
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 11:38 |
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Well I grew up with vinyl and have no desire to collect any more.
Digital just doesn't cut it for me. I need a hard copy.
Edited by Slartibartfast - October 21 2013 at 11:38
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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King Manuel
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 13:47 |
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Through the ages I have been through the formats, vinyl, cassettes, CDs, and Mp3. Lately I am mainly buying MP3s. Has to do with me living in a part of the world where you do not find much prog on CD. Ordering CDs becomes too expensive as apart from the postage I still would need to pay import tax on it.
Also since I purchased a 160 GB iPod some years ago, I have become used to having my whole collection with me all the time. Even when I purchase a CD it usually gets ripped into MP3 and added onto my iPod.
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uduwudu
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 23:57 |
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CD is digtal, I assume the context here are lossy mp3s. 320 kBps is a fifth that of 16 bit (CD). Then you can go all the way down to 96kBps. These cost money? Lossless audio compression formats should be compulsory (plus mp3s for those that like the kindergarten of audio).
How about 24 bit (DVD) releases - also digital? I've the SACD of PF's WYWH and the detail available made the 16 bit CD sound like a boot (sligt exaggeration). I assume the DVD and 5.1 versions on the Immersion set are at least as good.
The debate over Vinyl versus CD has to be based on the original source (if remastered from a tape, transferred to a hard drive and remastered for the greater space afforded by digital and not suffering from the compression forced on listeners - also a result of direct to disc recordings. I've some vinyl but for the most part it sounds dull compared to a good 16 or 24 bit master.
The subjective view of needles in a groove and crackles and some idea of authenticity I'll leave to others. Records wear out and CDs and DVDs can be backed up on hard drives. Of course you could always tape 'em... Hey how about storing material on video tape? 8)
One thing that should be noted by those trusting their ears is that, for men at least (not sure about how women are affected here. Hear? ;) Anyway, in time our perceptions of bass and treble extremes get blunted and this deterioration in hearing is not used in assessing a recording quality.
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Neo-Romantic
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Posted: October 22 2013 at 01:29 |
I'm partial to CDs personally. I did a project in college about the differing quality of these three mediums. While the digital files may come in third by a fairly wide margin, I still don't mind listening to them. If I'm on the go, working out, or just want to hear a song right then and don't have access to another option, am I going to deprive myself of the listening experience? No, that would be stupid. Plus, the quality isn't too bad, really. Maybe noticeably different, but it's not like it's unlistenable.
I do have a few vinyls of the classics, though. I enjoy having them for collecting purposes and because they sound very distinctively different than their more modern counterparts (the mellotron sounds so much better on the vinyl version of Red). Since I was born in 1990, I missed the vinyl heyday and am now catching the "vintage" wave in that regard it would seem. I never had any prog cassettes or vinyls as a kid, since my parents weren't prog fans.
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 23 2013 at 08:01 |
CD is killing in the poll...big surprise.
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Philip
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Posted: October 23 2013 at 10:11 |
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The most common way for me to listen prog rock (and music, in general) is digital and cd. But my favourite one is clearly vinyl
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iamathousandapples
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Posted: October 23 2013 at 10:41 |
CDs, a lot easier to play and stack on a wall. Vinyls are cool because they're cheap and have great artwork. Digital is only good when it's free 
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 23 2013 at 10:50 |
iamathousandapples wrote:
CDs, a lot easier to play and stack on a wall. Vinyls are cool because they're cheap and have great artwork. Digital is only good when it's free |
Vinyl is cheap? Not today it isn't, especially if you want 180gram quality brand new.
Just saying. 
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iamathousandapples
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Posted: October 23 2013 at 10:54 |
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 23 2013 at 10:55 |
uduwudu wrote:
CD is digtal, I assume the context here are lossy mp3s. 320 kBps is a fifth that of 16 bit (CD). Then you can go all the way down to 96kBps. These cost money? Lossless audio compression formats should be compulsory (plus mp3s for those that like the kindergarten of audio). How about 24 bit (DVD) releases - also digital? I've the SACD of PF's WYWH and the detail available made the 16 bit CD sound like a boot (sligt exaggeration). I assume the DVD and 5.1 versions on the Immersion set are at least as good.The debate over Vinyl versus CD has to be based on the original source (if remastered from a tape, transferred to a hard drive and remastered for the greater space afforded by digital and not suffering from the compression forced on listeners - also a result of direct to disc recordings. I've some vinyl but for the most part it sounds dull compared to a good 16 or 24 bit master. The subjective view of needles in a groove and crackles and some idea of authenticity I'll leave to others. Records wear out and CDs and DVDs can be backed up on hard drives. Of course you could always tape 'em... Hey how about storing material on video tape? 8)One thing that should be noted by those trusting their ears is that, for men at least (not sure about how women are affected here. Hear? ;) Anyway, in time our perceptions of bass and treble extremes get blunted and this deterioration in hearing is not used in assessing a recording quality.
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SACD's are incredible. Easily my most prefered audio format to use with my sound equipment. All in all, I can't find much fault in what you say in your post here. I think your bang on here. Well said. 
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