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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 10:58
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by The Mystical The Mystical wrote:

Progressive epics often follow unconventional structures, but is there a common formula? It is hard to pinpoint exactly what makes a prog epic coherent. 

 
Honestly, in my book, it isn't progressive IF it has a formula at all!
 
 
In the end, the history of music, up until the mid 20th century has been almost nothing but a discussion of what "melody" is, and how much more could be added or subtracted from the melody!
 
A lot of the "progressive" things, was a strong attempt at making changes in that process, otherwise, what is the point of rock music? Just sales of the same old merde, but done in electric stuff instead of accoustic?
 
This is a lot easier to see if you look at it from a historical perspective in the history of music.
 
I would rather, honestly, that the long cut was TOTALLY INCOHERENT, which for the past 75 years has been very important. Many a composer was booed and not appreciated for their work, because it did not sound melodic and the same as the previously "KNOWN" stuff.
 
You are defaulting, to the same thing, and that kills what "progressive" is all about.
 
Stop a minute and think about it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 10:48

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 10:11
Here ya go...........
 
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Getting serious ,just for a moment, I like the longer ones that start with a melodic theme, go into some more avant garde bits and instrumentation then reprise with the melody again at the end, but then I'm a sucker for a good melody.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 10:07
According to Jem Godfrey most bands have got the memo from prog central. With his band Frost he tried to to get away from the typical structure of Suppers Ready by darinlngly stick a fast instrumental bit at the end of Milliontown (shock horror!). There is always the quirky bit , a fast bit , a taking stock of things bit followed by a slow building anthemic climax. Its been done a thousand times (okay slight exaggeration) . That is also what Exitthelemming is saying I think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 09:47
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 07:42
Many celebrated Prog epics are no more than very skillfully and ingenuously segued arrangements of individual musical fragments that still conform to traditional song structures e.g. Supper's Ready and Close to the Edge. That's not to denigrate these brilliant pieces of music but we've been deluding ourselves now for 40 years that such arranging skills represent the classical music of the future. Enough already

Other pieces like Karn Evil 9 by ELP follow a more academic approach where the musical themes and motivic ideas are subject to the developmental rigor of classical forms as deployed by Janacek, Stravinsky, Bartok, Sibelius et al. This does not make them better of course it's just a different approach. And no, Karn Evil 9 ain't the classical music of the future either

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 05:22
Progressive epics often follow unconventional structures, but is there a common formula? It is hard to pinpoint exactly what makes a prog epic coherent.

Thoughts?

Is there a common prog epic structural formula? What do you think of prog song structures? What is your favourite prog song structure?
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