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fractal 
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 Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:38 |
 Hibou wrote:
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firmly believe loving prog has everything to do with musical
sensibilities, not brains. If you have an ear for music and love rock
(no matter what your IQ or social station may be), chances are you値l
enjoy prog.
It
isn't popular because it is fundamentally a music lover's music. The
same applies to jazz and classical music. These genres just don't agree
with the average joe's ears. |
I often hear that <insert progressive rock band> is a band that
musicians like to hear. It is basically saying the same thing.
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Klaatu Barada Nikto!
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:39 |
xhamasaki wrote:
edit: seriously whats your problem? Maybe you need to go outside or something, or maybe grow up since youre only 15 |
My problem is that you started the topic in a very arrogant way. How that is irritant... And I'm not 15, I'm 16...
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:39 |
mickstafa wrote:
What? Ok, I'm going to stop posting on these damn boards. This is not a nice place.
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Oh no! Please don't let these sorts of threads get to you! Think of all
the great discussions that take place here too. This website is unique
- the single biggest online community of prog fans. Don't let one or
two idiots get you down.
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mickstafa
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:40 |
Yeah come on guys, act your age and stop bickering. Discuss prog
and if you disagree with someone, make an intelligent post instead of
flaming them. If you can't then just move on....
Ok Trouser, you got be back 
Edited by mickstafa
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:44 |
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If the genre isn't meant for the "average joe" wouldnt that mean that it generally takes a somewhat higher intellect/ better understanding/appreciation of music to enjoy it? Logically speaking. Maybe the record companies don't promote it because they know that the average mtv clone wouldn't find it "cool"
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SomethingGood
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:45 |
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in my opinion prog doesn't appeal to the masses because it takes quite
a bit to get into, all of my fav prog albums took a good few listens
before i really appreciated the talent and the effort that had been put
into them. prog songs are generally not radio-friendly as well, it
seems most people just want to here short 3 minute songs that are
catchy and that they can sing along to straight away.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:45 |
mickstafa wrote:
What? Ok, I'm going to stop posting on these damn boards. This is not a nice place.
Anyhow, watch MTV cribs. Watch the bafoons with all the money savor in their 200,000 dollar cars, live in rediculously rich mansions with pictures of themselves plastered all over the walls. They all too often in love with themselves, their materialism, and their wealth.
Imagine a Prog episode of Cribs. Imagine seeing Jon Anderson, Bruford, Fripp and their house. Sure it will be nice, but do you think they'll act like the morons you find on MTV? hell no.
And yes we are in the information age where attention spans are limited. Man why do I bother posting here if all that happens are flame wars. See yall later.
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Don't let them amuse you to death ... it's ALL JUST MUSIC!
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:46 |
xhamasaki wrote:
If the genre isn't meant for the "average joe" wouldnt
that mean that it generally takes a somewhat higher intellect/ better
understanding/appreciation of music to enjoy it? Logically
speaking. Maybe the record companies don't promote it because
they know that the average mtv clone wouldn't find it "cool" |
You see! That's the reason why I'm angry. You use sh*tty arguments to
try to prove something. No, it just mean that the music isn't
comercial, but I don't mean it's more intelligent that Nine Inch Nails,
for an example.
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:49 |
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But why isn't it commercial? Because it's hard for the AVERAGE PERSON to get into (keyword average) I don't see how my argument is "sh*tty"... Find me a person that listens to prog that is stupid (and please don't be immature and be like OMG YOU LOL IM SO COOL AND ORIGINAL)
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fractal
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:50 |
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That is a good one: progressive rock is not radio nor music video
friendly. Imagine a 25 minute long music video or music on radio? They
lose money from ads and other income sources. A butchered version of a
long epic prog music is even worst a solution.
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Klaatu Barada Nikto!
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WillieThePimp
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:51 |
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Prog isn't popular because most people don't enjoy music as much as
many of the people on this site (although some seem to enjoy it because
they think they have teh ultimate power because they happened to
stumble accross this website or would like to kick show and tell up a
notch with it in school). Many people are content with the stuff that
the radio puts on because they usually only listen to music when
driving home from work or going to school.
I graduated with a fellow musician who made a perfect 800 on both
sections sections of the SAT is recognized by the International Society
of Poets for his essays and poems. His FAVORITE artists are Kenny G and
smooth jazz artists and thinks prog isn't that interesting. If he is
stupid than I would like the know the definition of intelligent. Sure
maybe closed minded, but not "un-intelligent."
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You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. ~Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:53 |
xhamasaki wrote:
But why isn't it commercial? Because it's hard for the
AVERAGE PERSON to get into (keyword average) I don't see how my
argument is "sh*tty"... |
No, it isn't comercial because it's normally more "introspective"
music, it doesn't thrill most of the people, it's long music. But it's
not more intelligent music
xhamasaki wrote:
Find me a person that listens to prog that is stupid |
You. And to many others to list. There's stupid guys in every kind of
music. Again you use that sh*tty argument in an arrogant way that
disgust me...
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:53 |
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Can you imagine any prog bands seeing any real commercial success at all? I mean, on Frances the Mute, its kind of obvious that "The Widow" was written to be a radio favorite, to sort of get people into the band by listening over the radio. Why is it that alot of bands have to change their sound when they get popular (just to get popular?) Look at Hoobastank- listen to their old stuff, then listen to the atrocious "the reason" heh
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sstarless
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:54 |
xhamasaki wrote:
but prog never was considered mainstream. even in the 70's when it was at its peak, prog records could never outsell the likes of kc and the sunshine band, beegees, etc. |
Are you trying to say that King Crimson is not a prog band or its again my English?
Likes of KC, Yes, ELP, Pink Floyd where indeed very popular. Maybe not the most popular (except PF) but deffinetly a substantial part of 70ies pop culture.
I think prog has evolved pretty much already in 70ies that was possible to be still within the genre, and as a result it is extremely divers.
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Io sono nato libero
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:55 |
thanks for being completely immature and using the immature response i told you not to use. You're so smart, go away. I'm not saying that people that listen to otehr forms of music are stupid, just that they are uninformed maybe? I mean the ones that go along with the crowd I think we can all assume are dumb...but of course willie there are people that are intelligent that dont listen to prog, what I mean is- do you have to be atleast a little bit more intelligent/ musically inclined than the average person to liste to prog?
fantomas honestly you are an asshole grow up
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:56 |
xhamasaki wrote:
Can you imagine any prog bands seeing any real
commercial success at all? I mean, on Frances the Mute, its kind of
obvious that "The Widow" was written to be a radio favorite, to sort of
get people into the band by listening over the radio. Why is it
that alot of bands have to change their sound when they get popular
(just to get popular?) Look at Hoobastank- listen to their old
stuff, then listen to the atrocious "the reason" heh |
As I said before, not everybody like progressive. And not everybody
that like progressive is intelligent. I find no reason why it should be
more popular than Punk Rock.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:58 |
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Fantômas, xhamasaki - Please agree to differ.
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:58 |
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sstarless i meant kc and the sunshine band- its the group that made the song "shake shake shake, shake shake shake, shake your bootie!" lol thats a lot of shakes. But- no those bands weren't very popular (except pink floyd), how many number one hits did they each have? Maybe one? That's not really POPULAR, atleast not like other bands that can consistently have #1 hits
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:58 |
xhamasaki wrote:
fantomas honestly you are an asshole grow up |
Please, learn how to use commas.
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sstarless
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:59 |
Fantômas wrote:
But it's not more intelligent music
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what is intelligent music?
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Io sono nato libero
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