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dougmcauliffe ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
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I know this is broad, but I've seen some criticisms and single star reviews of some retro prog bands/albums saying they are treading the waters of past greats or they're unoriginal. So what are your thoughts? Personally, I love retro prog and don't get some peoples problems. If some of these albums were recorded and produced note for note in the 70s they would likely be held as prog classics. So imo, some criticisms are silly.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Online Points: 19326 |
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Could you give some examples?
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dougmcauliffe ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
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Wobbler, Jordsjo, Anglagard, Daal, Anekdoten, are probably the most notable ones, but I think all have their own unique sounds |
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ForestFriend ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2017 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 685 |
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I don't really have a problem with it. I'm not a big fan of the term, though - it seems like a lot of people just look at the number of vintage keyboard sounds they use and dismiss it as retro prog. But if a band starts using hi-gain metal guitar sounds, or electronic synth stuff, wow, they're so new and original! Even though those sounds have been in use since the 80s... I remember people labeling All Traps On Earth as retro prog - although it doesn't quite sound like any one band out of the 70s. Sounds a bit like Anglagard (because they share members...), and even they don't really compose like many bands from the 70s either. They just use some of the same equipment.
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YESESIS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
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I went with 'Generally don't like it with a few exceptions' and those of course are Spock's Beard and Saga.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65816 |
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Love it. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 53621 |
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I can't seem to get enough of it.
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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I don't care if it's retro, modern, classic, etc. If I like the music, the label is not important to me.
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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option 1
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dougmcauliffe ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
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I wholeheartedly agree with these sentiments |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Apart from say, the Whirlwind by Transatlantic which I think represents a victory for the memorable over the aural memorabilia served up by the likes of Black Bonzo, Wobbler, Anglagard, the Samurai of Prog, Phideaux, Spock's Beard, Beardfish, Big Big Train, Anekdoten, the Flower Kings etc. Most of whom are but a pale imitation of what was borderline anaemic in the first place. Maybe it's my deep seated and prejudicial aversion to post modernism that makes me balk at much of this music. We no longer, many of us, believe in the idea of musical progress. All the more
reason, perhaps, to savor the music of those who did. (Kelefa Sanneh)
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Mormegil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2010 Location: NE PA Status: Offline Points: 7998 |
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No issue here . . .
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20605 |
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retro prog is usually very flattering to the ears (I enjoy a good part of it), but let's face it, most of it can't really live up the 70's stuff it's inspired upon.
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judahbenkenobi ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 09 2017 Location: Guatemala Status: Offline Points: 844 |
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I've tried so hard to like Wobbler and All Traps on Earth, but after a hundred spins can't just get over them.
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Example of what is not retro prog:
Änglagård is to Yes/Genesis as Shostakovich is to Brahms/Debussy Example of what is retro prog: Steve Unruh is to Jethro Tull as Mozart is to Haydn I love ALL of the above artists and their music!
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20698 |
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I like it...most of it anyway....fan of Wobbler and Astra...though they haven't done anything for 7 years.
Also like most of the ones above.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Online Points: 19326 |
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I almost voted for the second option but really I don't think it's fair to say it can't compete with the classics. No other subgenre can either plus it's kind of irrelevant if it can or can't. So number one for me.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 45236 |
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Your album reviews are the best! They're a masterclass in how to write an entertaining and informative review. Everyone here should read at least one of your reviews. Even if I don't always agree with your album reviews, I always enjoy reading what you have to say. Keep up the good work.
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6849 |
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I am probably somewhere between options 1 and 2. I don't have any issue with bands doing "retro prog." I am not sure I like most of it. I don't hate most of it. I am just neutral obout most of it. For example, I don't find my prog listening to be any better or worse for having listened to Wobbler's "From Silence to Somewhere."
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tamijo_II ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 06 2019 Location: DK Status: Offline Points: 881 |
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"I like it but it cant compete with the classics"
Lovely music those bands you mention, but can't find albums in there that would compete with the best from 70-75, especially considering what technical advantage they got over a 1974 production. Edited by tamijo_II - December 23 2019 at 13:26 |
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