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Poll Question: Which is your favourite album?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
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4 [4.26%]
2 [2.13%]
3 [3.19%]
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17 [18.09%]
3 [3.19%]
1 [1.06%]
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4 [4.26%]
2 [2.13%]
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

In the case of four out of five of those bands (with the exception of the Cardiacs) I didn't even get beyond the first track on the album before I'd heard enough. Confused

As I see it, Paul, it would certainly be most fair not to rate albums, you've heard so little of - even if your rating is very subjective. 
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Am I missing something here? I don't remember Paul provoking anyone with his comments or ratings, whether the ratings are controversial or not

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

 Cardiacs - The punkish "singer" sounds terrible and the tuneless music has been described as "Pronk"

Guapo - Don't waste your time listening to this tuneless punk dross. It's so bad, it's not even worth taking the time to post an album link or video. Guapo? It sounds more like guano.

Present - although if the discordant shambles below is anything to go by, we're not missing out on much.

Swans - This is so bad, it sounds like a bunch of people got together to randomly hit bits of furniture and make a noise. I can't believe anyone would pay good money to listen to this

Yeah, nothing provoking there Thumbs DownDead


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

 Actually, this "If these are Swans, then this tuneless mess of an album is the ugly duckling that nobody wants, so it's no surprise that no one voted for Swans in the poll. Remind me not to include any Avant Prog in future polls " was annoying because it's been mentioned again and again that the band is diverse, that you wouldn't enjoy where it starts, what you might enjoy and I haven't seen anyone even call it avant prog. Tarring a whole genre by one album that I haven't seen called avant prog is ridiculous. It is like you are not listening and considering how others respond. You tend to glibly deflect, move the goalposts and miss the point.


If I had written that review, I would have said something like "Well, I was warned but still went ahead and listened anyway, and I should have heeded the warning. I found this as brutal as could be expected. I have been told they I might enjoy later albums more, it couldn't be less methinks. I will not pass judgement until I have heard more of the discography as I have ben told how diverse it is and liked a song that was shared with me before which was very different stylistically".

Then Paul would have missed out on squeezing the "ugly duckiling" reference into his review".That was never going to happen. That's the showstopper.
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Ironically, the only band not present in this list is Present. Wacko


4 stars 1992: Anglagard - Hybris - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFI554_xM-I
4 stars 1994: Big Big Train - Goodbye to the Age of Steam - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEbg38NZ8awxxPHTn4kKEg-F
2 stars 1988: Cardiacs - A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ngIekL-DOewmbD61IugwyZ-OMkLFaFf1E
4 stars 1995: The Flower Kings - Back in the World of Adventures - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kau3-02NKZaW9xPW2Z6mk4HF5UBYW5xM0
1 stars 1997: Guapo - Towers Open Fire
5 stars 1983: Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYO9m_YiZnLF4CPjxkF2Cam
4 stars 2015: The Neal Morse Band - The Grand Experiment - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHZeNNEf6R4
3 stars 1992: Porcupine Tree - On the Sunday of Life - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYaUb-0bW0hnmbzq1OzHv8Z
2 stars 1995: Spock's Beard - The Light - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLiS6YbBecU


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3 stars 2005: Wobbler - Hinterland - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nM_vh56Anw30Ujje9XSmiCz0P3s53_ys8
 

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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Why does no one have anything positive to say about Paul? Without Paul, these forums would be dull, imo. What would Cristi do?

Paul, we have different tastes in music but that's how it should be. Keep on truckin' dude.

Thanks! It's never a dull moment here and what would I do without Cristi? Wink

You don't want me to answer that. 

It's not about tastes here, it's about a lot of outrageous statements made. Obviously people will react to those statements. 

Am I missing something here? I don't remember Paul provoking anyone with his comments or ratings, whether the ratings are controversial or not
Having listened to nearly all the albums in the poll now (apart from Wobbler), it's already becoming clear that I'm not going to like any experimental Avant Prog albums by the Cardiacs, Guapo, Present, Swans or Thinking Plague, but like Cristi said earlier, I don't have to torture myself by listening to Avant Prog albums all the way through from beginning to end. In the case of four out of five of those bands (with the exception of the Cardiacs) I didn't even get beyond the first track on the album before I'd heard enough. Confused
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

To begin with, I wasn't too sure about Transatlantic, but when they played our national anthem on the final track, that's when they had me hooked. Smile

As long as the reason isn't in any way trite or superficial, I'm good with that!  LOL
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^^^ In time, I'm sure you'll find an extra star for that one Paul, the more frequently you play it... modern prog at it's very finest, not a weak link in sight.. Wink

I remember Classic Rock Mag going absolutely weak at the knees over it; something I took with a certain pinch of salt, being as they also doted on Aerosmith... but my word, they were right on that occasion.
To begin with, I wasn't too sure about Transatlantic, but when they played our national anthem on the final track, that's when they had me hooked. Smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Why does no one have anything positive to say about Paul? Without Paul, these forums would be dull, imo. What would Cristi do?

Paul, we have different tastes in music but that's how it should be. Keep on truckin' dude.


Thanks! It's never a dull moment here and what would I do without Cristi? Wink


You don't want me to answer that. 

It's not about tastes here, it's about a lot of outrageous statements made. Obviously people will react to those statements. 


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^^^ In time, I'm sure you'll find an extra star for that one Paul, the more frequently you play it... modern prog at it's very finest, not a weak link in sight.. Wink

I remember Classic Rock Mag going absolutely weak at the knees over it; something I took with a certain pinch of salt, being as they also doted on Aerosmith... but my word, they were right on that occasion.
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4 stars 2000: Transatlantic - SMPT:e - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kL2d80RSYFDcmL5txVDUlGAfEDNP-FjZ4
 
God bless our gracious Queen. Wink
 

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1 stars 1984: Thinking Plague - A Thinking Plague - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYpwvqrSqOYkPEY4iGbLZNbpX9Y1JyQsQ
 
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I saw Mostly Autumn quite a few times while they were producing their first three albums; they played at the CRS in Rotherham quite often at that time as they were on the Cyclops record label. Their gig supporting Iona on their Open Sky tour was superb.. I still have a fondness for those, more folk-oriented releases.

In my view, Transatlantic's first album is the best on the list, but it is a bit of a cheat, because by the time of it's release, the band consisted of 4 very talented and experienced musicians, whereas MA were rather embryonic...
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

You may have missed my earlier reply where I mentioned that the first eleven Modern Prog polls are already posted, which Logan has helpfully provided links to above. Thumbs Up

Of course, please accept my humble apologies... I had a quick scan for them, but was obviously looking in the wrong place... Embarrassed  have you picked up any pattern from the voting yourself?

the conversation is taking place in the thread for the First Album; so are you back here, listening to the albums one by one and moving forward?
Yes, I have just two albums left to listen to (by Transatlantic & Wobbler) in this poll before moving forward onto the second poll. So far, the first four bands in the poll have the most votes overall with my favourite band Mostly Autumn having about as much impact as falling leaves. Confused
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

You may have missed my earlier reply where I mentioned that the first eleven Modern Prog polls are already posted, which Logan has helpfully provided links to above. Thumbs Up

Of course, please accept my humble apologies... I had a quick scan for them, but was obviously looking in the wrong place... Embarrassed  have you picked up any pattern from the voting yourself?

the conversation is taking place in the thread for the First Album; so are you back here, listening to the albums one by one and moving forward?
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Why does no one have anything positive to say about Paul? Without Paul, these forums would be dull, imo. 

I wasn't trying to be overtly negative; I do appreciate the time it must take and the enthusiasm Paul must have, to organise all the polls he puts together. My concern is that if you are going to set up a series of polls on a particular theme, you have to keep some sort of momentum going to keep other forum members interested. From Paul's comments, I get the impression that 'modern prog' is something he wishes to become better acquainted with and wishes to see which bands and albums are well thought of. It partly defeats the object when he decides to listen to all 25 entries before moving on, especially as he has other ongoing polls such as his Prog Britannia and Symphonic Metal, where he is doing the same thing, meaning we look to be getting a new poll every 3-4 months?

I would respectfully suggest that's biting off a bit more than you can chew, and concentrating on one area at a time might ultimately yield more satisfactory results.... 
You may have missed my earlier reply where I mentioned that the first eleven Modern Prog polls are already posted, which Logan has helpfully provided links to above. Thumbs Up
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Well Paul did have some momentum by doing the 11 Modern prog Polls (as he mentioned) posting those topics every few days, but this has turned into more of a kind of  youtube playlist for albums blog as he goes through them.  
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Why does no one have anything positive to say about Paul? Without Paul, these forums would be dull, imo. 

I wasn't trying to be overtly negative; I do appreciate the time it must take and the enthusiasm Paul must have, to organise all the polls he puts together. My concern is that if you are going to set up a series of polls on a particular theme, you have to keep some sort of momentum going to keep other forum members interested. From Paul's comments, I get the impression that 'modern prog' is something he wishes to become better acquainted with and wishes to see which bands and albums are well thought of. It partly defeats the object when he decides to listen to all 25 entries before moving on, especially as he has other ongoing polls such as his Prog Britannia and Symphonic Metal, where he is doing the same thing, meaning we look to be getting a new poll every 3-4 months?

I would respectfully suggest that's biting off a bit more than you can chew, and concentrating on one area at a time might ultimately yield more satisfactory results.... 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Why does no one have anything positive to say about Paul? Without Paul, these forums would be dull, imo. What would Cristi do?

Paul, we have different tastes in music but that's how it should be. Keep on truckin' dude.

Thanks! It's never a dull moment here and what would I do without Cristi? Wink

You don't want me to answer that. 

It's not about tastes here, it's about a lot of outrageous statements made. Obviously people will react to those statements. 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Why does no one have anything positive to say about Paul? Without Paul, these forums would be dull, imo. What would Cristi do?

Paul, we have different tastes in music but that's how it should be. Keep on truckin' dude.

Thanks! It's never a dull moment here and what would I do without Cristi? Wink
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