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^ No problem, Julien, I'll take care.

EDIT: Done.


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^ Of course, that's a nice plan. In fact, I was thinking the same. But I'm too busy at the moment to go through all these steps. So thank you in advance... Wink
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^ After fast reading the reviews I think "The Zodiac - Cosmic Sounds" suits more to MORT GARSON discoraphy than to V/A. At least because he composed all music of the album.

If you, gentlemen, agree we can do the following:
1. Move the entry with 5 reviews (https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24273) from V/A to MORT GARSON's page.
2. Ask Matti to repost his review (now the sole review of MORT GARSON's album) to this "new" entry.
3. Ask Admins to delete the album https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77858

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The 1967 album "The Zodiac - Cosmic Sounds" is listed twice

As a collaboration of Various Artists: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24273
And specifically under main man Mort Garson: https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4798

Not sure if this is something that gets tidied up or a case where its appropriate to list an album twice.
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^ I'm trying to remember the old dicussion. It seems when I wrote "splits are different beasts" I meant that splits are releases with some tracks recorded by one band and some by another band, without any collaboration with each other, for example when side 1 of the LP is by the band X and side 2 by the band Y.

Anyway let's wait for admins' response before changing something.
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ I can't remember why I said "Obviously splits are different beasts". Obviously I'm inconsistent and memory stopped serve me well. Smile 

Now I tend to "kill 'em all" (i.e. delete all "excessive" entries). And I even asked Greg to delete this one http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81069 (and he already did it). 

From the other hand, points like this
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

The problem with keeping a split release under only one of the artists is not just that split releases are not intended to have a “main” artist, but that for a database like PA, someone looking to find out the discography of a band could easily miss a release (or moreJ because they are listed only on another artist’s page.
make sense.

Sent one more message to Greg and asked admins to decide what's to be done with splits. Confused

I agree with what Nick stated here. Smile
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^ I can't remember why I said "Obviously splits are different beasts". Obviously I'm inconsistent and memory stopped serve me well. Smile 

Now I tend to "kill 'em all" (i.e. delete all "excessive" entries). And I even asked Greg to delete this one http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81069 (and he already did it). 

From the other hand, points like this
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

The problem with keeping a split release under only one of the artists is not just that split releases are not intended to have a “main” artist, but that for a database like PA, someone looking to find out the discography of a band could easily miss a release (or moreJ because they are listed only on another artist’s page.
make sense.

Sent one more message to Greg and asked admins to decide what's to be done with splits. Confused




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^ I'm not sure what to do... See below:

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75573
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75574
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75728
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75729
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75793
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75794
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75926
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75927
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75933
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75934
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77102
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77103
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77242
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77243
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77560
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77561
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77664
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77665
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=78578
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=78579
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=80902
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=80903
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=80911
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=80912

Also, see your post from last year:

But... maybe this is not a "split release" ?
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81069
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81070


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^^^ I believe it should stay only in Liquid Sound Company discography. We may also add a link to this album in HERD OF INSTINCT page.

Otherwise no consistency. We have lots of collaborative albums on PA, but they belong only to the band (artist) listed first. 
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Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Do we really need this album to be listed twice under two different artists?
I usually add a note for such entries. I just did that. Wink
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Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Do we really need this album to be listed twice under two different artists?

Why is there such a problem? It's a collaboration between two bands. I've seen such a situation before a couple of years back. Not quite a duplicate entry. A duplicate entry is an error. These two were deliberately posted like that. I guess the admins will decide what to do here. 
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Do we really need this album to be listed twice under two different artists?
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Originally posted by Prog Network Prog Network wrote:

Nektar seems to have another duplicate entry.

There are 3 nearly identical releases of "Greatest Hits Live" by Nektar. The other 2 release titles are "Nearfest 2002 (Studio M Recording)" and "Live At The Patriots Theater". The "Nearfest 2002 (Studio M Recording)" seems to be an unofficial release as well.

I believe that both "Nearfest 2002 (Studio M Recording)" and "Live At The Patriots Theater" should be removed. I have also updated "Greatest Hits Live".

CD One (71:39)
1. A Tab in the Ocean (16:47)
2. Desolation Valley (8:59)
3. Remember the Future (Part One) (16:46)
4. Nelly the Elephant (7:12)
5. Man in the Moon (7:32)
6. It's All Over (7:04)
7. Now (7:19)

CD Two (67:05)
1. Recycled (18:21)
2. A Day in the Life of a Preacher (12:37)
3. Remember the Future (Part Two) (19:46)
4. Crying in the Dark / King of Twilight (11:00)
5. Fidgety Queen (5:21)

Total Time 138:44

Line-up:
- Roye Albrighton / guitar, vocals
- Allan "Taff" Freeman / keyboards
- Mo Moore / bass, vocals
- Ron Howden / drums
- Larry Fast / synthesizer
- Scott Krentz / percussion
- Michelle Eckert / backing vocals
- Maureen McIntyre / backing vocals
- Mick Brocket / lighting

Releases Information:

Recorded at Patriots Theater, Trenton, NJ, USA, at the NEARfest 2002 Festival on 29 June 2002.

2CD The Store For Music - SFMCD270 (UK & Europe, 2014) [Live At The Patriots Theater]
2CD Classic Rock Productions - CRP1010 (UK. 2002)


Progarchives (Greatest Hits Live) - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2744
Progarchives (Nearfest 2002 Studio M Recording) - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2743
Progarchives (Live At The Patriots Theater) - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=46763
Discogs (Greatest Hits Live) - https://www.discogs.com/release/2508329-Nektar-Greatest-Hits-Live
Discogs (Live At The Patriots Theater) - https://www.discogs.com/release/8082078-Nektar-Live-At-The-Patriots-Theater

... and both #2743 and #46763 entries are gone too.


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Originally posted by Prog Network Prog Network wrote:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ I think all 3 albums have the right to live.

1. 1974 is an "ancient" live LP, only partly recorded at the Roundhouse, its Release info on PA reads: "B-side recorded live at Chipping Norton Studio March 27".
2. 2002 is a double CD, completely recorded at the Roundhouse. I.e., as you've noted, it's different enough record.
3. 2011 has slightly different track list. 

After doing some research, "Woman Trouble" and "What Ya Gonna Do?" are the same track but with different names. This makes both the "2002" release and the "2011" release exactly the same besides for some changes in song titles.

"Track 2-5 is titled "Woman Trouble" on the artwork but is a live version of song "What Ya Gonna Do?" from ...Sounds Like This."
- https://www.discogs.com/release/2480753-Nektar-Sunday-Night-At-London-Roundhouse (Under Notes)

I have updated the track listing and added a note about the different track name on both releases.


Disc 1 (49:44)
1. King of Twilight (12:10)
2. Desolation Valley (8:58)
3. A Day In The Life Of A Preacher Featuring the Birth of Oh Willie (19:50)
4. Summer Breeze (3:04)
5. Cast Your Fate (5:42)

Disc 2 (56:44)
1. Remember the Future Part One (18:47)
2. Odyssey (Ron's On) (11:15)
3. 1-2-3-4 (12:31)
4. Remember The Future Part Two (Let It Grow) (5:14)
5. Woman Trouble (6:09) *

Total Time: 106:06

* Titled "What Ya Gonna Do?" on the 2011 Cleopatra Reissue

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Recorded live at The Roundhouse, Chalk Farm, London on November 25th 1973 by The Pye Records Mobile Studio

Bacillus Records / Bellaphon - 9724327 (Germany, 2002)
2CD Cleopatra - CLP 6608 (US, 2011)


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2753
Discogs (2002) - https://www.discogs.com/release/2480753-Nektar-Sunday-Night-At-London-Roundhouse
Discogs (2011) - https://www.discogs.com/release/4612743-Nektar-Sunday-Night-At-London-Roundhouse

BTW, the 2011 entry is now gone. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=54942
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^ I think both requests were forgotten, sorry about that.

First of all, both "correct" entries are now updated.

About deletion, those are tricky, because of reviews. Both reviwers (zeb1981 and Heart of the Matter) were contacted and asked to move their reviews on the right entries. Now let's wait a bit.
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Originally posted by Prog Network Prog Network wrote:

After doing some research, "Woman Trouble" and "What Ya Gonna Do?" are the same track but with different names. This makes both the "2002" release and the "2011" release exactly the same besides for some changes in song titles.

"Track 2-5 is titled "Woman Trouble" on the artwork but is a live version of song "What Ya Gonna Do?" from ...Sounds Like This."
- https://www.discogs.com/release/2480753-Nektar-Sunday-Night-At-London-Roundhouse (Under Notes)

I have updated the track listing and added a note about the different track name on both releases.


Disc 1 (49:44)
1. King of Twilight (12:10)
2. Desolation Valley (8:58)
3. A Day In The Life Of A Preacher Featuring the Birth of Oh Willie (19:50)
4. Summer Breeze (3:04)
5. Cast Your Fate (5:42)

Disc 2 (56:44)
1. Remember the Future Part One (18:47)
2. Odyssey (Ron's On) (11:15)
3. 1-2-3-4 (12:31)
4. Remember The Future Part Two (Let It Grow) (5:14)
5. Woman Trouble (6:09) *

Total Time: 106:06

* Titled "What Ya Gonna Do?" on the 2011 Cleopatra Reissue

Releases Information:

Recorded live at The Roundhouse, Chalk Farm, London on November 25th 1973 by The Pye Records Mobile Studio

Bacillus Records / Bellaphon - 9724327 (Germany, 2002)
2CD Cleopatra - CLP 6608 (US, 2011)


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2753
Discogs (2002) - https://www.discogs.com/release/2480753-Nektar-Sunday-Night-At-London-Roundhouse
Discogs (2011) - https://www.discogs.com/release/4612743-Nektar-Sunday-Night-At-London-Roundhouse

Originally posted by Prog Network Prog Network wrote:

Nektar seems to have another duplicate entry.

There are 3 nearly identical releases of "Greatest Hits Live" by Nektar. The other 2 release titles are "Nearfest 2002 (Studio M Recording)" and "Live At The Patriots Theater". The "Nearfest 2002 (Studio M Recording)" seems to be an unofficial release as well.

I believe that both "Nearfest 2002 (Studio M Recording)" and "Live At The Patriots Theater" should be removed. I have also updated "Greatest Hits Live".

CD One (71:39)
1. A Tab in the Ocean (16:47)
2. Desolation Valley (8:59)
3. Remember the Future (Part One) (16:46)
4. Nelly the Elephant (7:12)
5. Man in the Moon (7:32)
6. It's All Over (7:04)
7. Now (7:19)

CD Two (67:05)
1. Recycled (18:21)
2. A Day in the Life of a Preacher (12:37)
3. Remember the Future (Part Two) (19:46)
4. Crying in the Dark / King of Twilight (11:00)
5. Fidgety Queen (5:21)

Total Time 138:44

Line-up:
- Roye Albrighton / guitar, vocals
- Allan "Taff" Freeman / keyboards
- Mo Moore / bass, vocals
- Ron Howden / drums
- Larry Fast / synthesizer
- Scott Krentz / percussion
- Michelle Eckert / backing vocals
- Maureen McIntyre / backing vocals
- Mick Brocket / lighting

Releases Information:

Recorded at Patriots Theater, Trenton, NJ, USA, at the NEARfest 2002 Festival on 29 June 2002.

2CD The Store For Music - SFMCD270 (UK & Europe, 2014) [Live At The Patriots Theater]
2CD Classic Rock Productions - CRP1010 (UK. 2002)


Progarchives (Greatest Hits Live) - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2744
Progarchives (Nearfest 2002 Studio M Recording) - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2743
Progarchives (Live At The Patriots Theater) - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=46763
Discogs (Greatest Hits Live) - https://www.discogs.com/release/2508329-Nektar-Greatest-Hits-Live
Discogs (Live At The Patriots Theater) - https://www.discogs.com/release/8082078-Nektar-Live-At-The-Patriots-Theater
Are there any updates on these duplication corrections?


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Nektar seems to have another duplicate entry.

There are 3 nearly identical releases of "Greatest Hits Live" by Nektar. The other 2 release titles are "Nearfest 2002 (Studio M Recording)" and "Live At The Patriots Theater". The "Nearfest 2002 (Studio M Recording)" seems to be an unofficial release as well.

I believe that both "Nearfest 2002 (Studio M Recording)" and "Live At The Patriots Theater" should be removed. I have also updated "Greatest Hits Live".

CD One (71:39)
1. A Tab in the Ocean (16:47)
2. Desolation Valley (8:59)
3. Remember the Future (Part One) (16:46)
4. Nelly the Elephant (7:12)
5. Man in the Moon (7:32)
6. It's All Over (7:04)
7. Now (7:19)

CD Two (67:05)
1. Recycled (18:21)
2. A Day in the Life of a Preacher (12:37)
3. Remember the Future (Part Two) (19:46)
4. Crying in the Dark / King of Twilight (11:00)
5. Fidgety Queen (5:21)

Total Time 138:44

Line-up:
- Roye Albrighton / guitar, vocals
- Allan "Taff" Freeman / keyboards
- Mo Moore / bass, vocals
- Ron Howden / drums
- Larry Fast / synthesizer
- Scott Krentz / percussion
- Michelle Eckert / backing vocals
- Maureen McIntyre / backing vocals
- Mick Brocket / lighting

Releases Information:

Recorded at Patriots Theater, Trenton, NJ, USA, at the NEARfest 2002 Festival on 29 June 2002.

2CD The Store For Music - SFMCD270 (UK & Europe, 2014) [Live At The Patriots Theater]
2CD Classic Rock Productions - CRP1010 (UK. 2002)


Progarchives (Greatest Hits Live) - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2744
Progarchives (Nearfest 2002 Studio M Recording) - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2743
Progarchives (Live At The Patriots Theater) - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=46763
Discogs (Greatest Hits Live) - https://www.discogs.com/release/2508329-Nektar-Greatest-Hits-Live
Discogs (Live At The Patriots Theater) - https://www.discogs.com/release/8082078-Nektar-Live-At-The-Patriots-Theater


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^ Thanks, if so we can combine 2002 and 2011 releases.

But before doing this I have to ask the sole reviewer of 2011 album to repost his review on 2002 edition page. And only when he reposts it (I hope he will because he's an active user) I'll ask admins to delete 2011 entry.
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