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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

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St. Anger is the only listenable post-Master of Puppets Metallica album

LOL Wow. St. Anger is widely considered their single worst recording, and rightfully so.

Prog is widely considered the realm of faeries, dragons and UFO's. That is, where its even considered at all.

I am very well versed in the opinions about that album. That's why I'm here in the "Hot Takes" thread. It doesn't really change the way I feel about their post-...Puppets discography. 

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

been on the waccy baccy by any chance?

That's a Greatful Dead fan. So, at the very least.

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Originally posted by ThamesRoyal ThamesRoyal wrote:

I've never understood Camel.  I've tried, but can't with the exception of a few tracks get beyond the impression that they're labored and uninspiring.
This is not a dig (although it may seem like it), but I really don't get it.
I believe there are some more "objective" factors in music (meaning one can nail them down in a transparent way so that pretty much everyone can agree) like originality, complexity, virtuosity etc., and some factors that depend on individual emotionality like whether certain melodies and sounds appeal to you or not. There is some inexplicable "magic" in this, and it will work for some and not for others. Camel for me is much about the emotions; it's hard to convey how their melodies and sound appeal more to me than that of many other bands, and I'm not surprised that they leave some people cold. There's just some invisible emotional bond between them and me that you may have with entirely different material. 

That said they have some seriously good instrumentalists for sure, and they know what they're doing. (But them this description also fits some bands that I don't get.)  


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I've never understood Camel.  I've tried, but can't with the exception of a few tracks get beyond the impression that they're labored and uninspiring.
This is not a dig (although it may seem like it), but I really don't get it.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 

As someone currently promoting a new album that crosses some genre boundaries, this rings so true to me right now.
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^ it's pretty much the first thing I think of when anyone brings them up. Smile
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

been on the waccy baccy by any chance?

LOL
I had to google that, I didn't know what it means. LOL
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been on the waccy baccy by any chance?
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The good ol' Grateful Dead are the greatest progressive rock band of all time.  
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Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

"Tormato" is the last great album of the Yes classic era.

It's not 'great' at all. I remember buying it as a teenager (it was just the latest Yes release at the time) and it took me about another 20 years to take them seriously. 
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Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is.
Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.

so how much of what was made 1969-1975 that is 'prog' would fall under that label do you reckon? (genuine question for everyone, I'm interested!)
The Mothers of Invention, The Red Crayola, the Silver Apples, The United States of America, the Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band, early Canterbury scene, Henry Cow, Slapp Happy, Fripp & Eno, Can, Faust, Popol Vuh, The Plastic People of the Universe, Buldožer...

cool thanks ( think I own about the sum total 1 album of all the artists mentioned)
Why just one album? It's such adventurous music. For instance, I would highly recommend this archival release by The Plastic People of the Universe from this year. Not "proggy prog," though.




Actually more than one as I have about 3 albums by Zappa and the MOI and then the 'one' being Tago Mago (Can). I don't listen to them though. I'm not really into experimental or adventurous music I guess.
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Hot take: LearsFool uses a bot to post on the forums. That's why you don't see them participate in any discussions or interact with any of the members. B)
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"Tormato" is the last great album of the Yes classic era.
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[QUOTE=AJ Junior]
  • Supertramp is a fully fledged Prog band Bogus I say
  • Camel's commercial phase was not that bad and had a lot of great albums and songs Camel never had a "commercial" phase
  • Every KC album between their debut an Larks' is mediocre Bogus
Yezda Urfa is one of the great underrated prog bands of all time and would've been 10x better than Gentle Giant if they had gotten the recognition they deserved I don't think anything stopped them from getting better acclaim; I think they were great and unique, but comparing them to another unique band is senseless - to use your criteria, GG are the obvious winner (imo, and I wouldn't go so far as to suggest x anything)
  • "YS" by Balleto Di Bronzo sounds weird and is extremely overhyped that was my take after half-assedly listening to it for the first time
All in all, I never thought I would disagree this much with every opinion withheld by a single poster (pretty contrarian, I might add). 

My advice (regardless if you live in that world or not): expand your boundaries because there is more to prog than the fairyland of AOR and anything remotely metal will tell you! 


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is.
Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.

so how much of what was made 1969-1975 that is 'prog' would fall under that label do you reckon? (genuine question for everyone, I'm interested!)
The Mothers of Invention, The Red Crayola, the Silver Apples, The United States of America, the Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band, early Canterbury scene, Henry Cow, Slapp Happy, Fripp & Eno, Can, Faust, Popol Vuh, The Plastic People of the Universe, Buldožer...

cool thanks ( think I own about the sum total 1 album of all the artists mentioned)
Why just one album? It's such adventurous music. For instance, I would highly recommend this archival release by The Plastic People of the Universe from this year. Not "proggy prog," though.
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Originally posted by AJ Junior AJ Junior wrote:

  • Supertramp is a fully fledged Prog band


That is one hot take...I can feel the heat.   
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Originally posted by AJ Junior AJ Junior wrote:

  • Supertramp is a fully fledged Prog band
  • Camel's commercial phase was not that bad and had a lot of great albums and songs
  • Every KC album between their debut an Larks' is mediocre
  • Yezda Urfa is one of the great underrated prog bands of all time and would've been 10x better than Gentle Giant if they had gotten the recognition they deserved
  • "YS" by Balleto Di Bronzo sounds weird and is extremely overhyped


I listened to a Supertramp album for the first time yesterday - Crime Of The Century - very nice!😊
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  • Supertramp is a fully fledged Prog band
  • Camel's commercial phase was not that bad and had a lot of great albums and songs
  • Every KC album between their debut an Larks' is mediocre
  • Yezda Urfa is one of the great underrated prog bands of all time and would've been 10x better than Gentle Giant if they had gotten the recognition they deserved
  • "YS" by Balleto Di Bronzo sounds weird and is extremely overhyped
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Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is.
Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.

so how much of what was made 1969-1975 that is 'prog' would fall under that label do you reckon? (genuine question for everyone, I'm interested!)
The Mothers of Invention, The Red Crayola, the Silver Apples, The United States of America, the Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band, early Canterbury scene, Henry Cow, Slapp Happy, Fripp & Eno, Can, Faust, Popol Vuh, The Plastic People of the Universe, Buldožer...

cool thanks ( think I own about the sum total 1 album of all the artists mentioned)
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is.
Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.

so how much of what was made 1969-1975 that is 'prog' would fall under that label do you reckon? (genuine question for everyone, I'm interested!)
The Mothers of Invention, The Red Crayola, the Silver Apples, The United States of America, the Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band, early Canterbury scene, Henry Cow, Slapp Happy, Fripp & Eno, Can, Faust, Popol Vuh, The Plastic People of the Universe, Buldožer...
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