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Cristi 
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 Posted: January 25 2024 at 10:12 |
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That's the hottest of them all.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: January 25 2024 at 10:09 |
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Now that's a hot take, bizarre, but hot. |
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Ian
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Cristi
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Posted: January 25 2024 at 09:21 |
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For real or are you just baiting?
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Hector Enrique
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Posted: January 25 2024 at 08:17 |
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I agree with you regarding the relevance of Barrett. Indeed, I also think it would have been likely that if Barrett continued, Pink Floyd would have been another band of the psychedelic movement of the late 60's lost in some alphabetical description. As David Gilmour said in one of the thousands of interviews about it, words more words less: "everyone believes that Syd is a superlative genius, and the truth is that he was a directionless person who could not overcome his mental demons" |
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LAM-SGC
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Posted: January 25 2024 at 07:39 |
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It's all a matter of taste really so..
*Can't stand The Lamb or Gabriel's various accents and comedic and theatrical moments on Genesis albums. Solo I like Gabriel fine. *Can't stand VDGG only because of the awful singing. The music is fine. * Wish You Were Here is the worst PF album * Can't stand anything by DT after WDADU, again because of the singing. *ELP and Yes, after hundreds of listens and owning every classic LP I still don't get these two bands. |
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Across the evening sky,
all the birds are leaving, But how can they know, it's time for them to go? Before the winter fire, I will still be dreaming, I have no thought of time. |
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richardh
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Posted: January 24 2024 at 22:37 |
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^ don't give him ideas
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Logan
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May be not much of a hot take, and I may well have said this already here, but I think that it's a good thing that Peter Gabriel left Genesis since the others just would have weighed him down and he was the best of them. And I think That The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, which some complain as being more of a Gabriel solo album, is the best album that Genesis released (although I really like Trespass).
And if that ain't hot enough, rumour has it that Neal Morse's refrigerator became a portal to hell. Apparently there were some very strange emanations going on there. It called for an exorcism. Turns out that the culprit was some very old mystery meat which has since been disposed of. Thank you, Jesus. |
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Floydoid
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I completely agree on all three points - regarding DST I think the album overall is superior to P.U.L.S.E, and the video film of the latter is superior to DST tho the DST re-edit / remaster is far superior to the original VHS release. Regarding Syd, yes he was a great inspiration, but I think his merits as a guitarist and songwriter were at times mediocre. Had they not fired him and recruited DG then PF might have ended up as a footnote to the mid 60's psychedelic movement. Oh yeah I love TFC too, often finding it a more satisfying listen than The Wall... and remember I'm a total Floyd fanatic. [Just my personal opinions.] |
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"Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour
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Hrychu
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Posted: January 24 2024 at 11:59 |
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Fluid Druid is way better than its precursor Toward the Sun.
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Hrychu
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Posted: December 30 2023 at 11:59 |
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Oh yes. The forums did glitch and once they glitch, one cannot escape the javascript curse! There's only one solution and that is to disable the WYSIWYG editor in your forum preferences. 
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Zappastolethetowels
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No it doesn't, the two are completely different points. I would never say Genesis stopped being any good after Hackett left, but they certainly lost their prog touch (possibly due to Steve?). There's a reason you see W&W listed as the last 'peak' Genesis release on just about any serious prog fan's list. Can't disagree with anything else you said though )
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richardh
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Posted: December 30 2023 at 00:51 |
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I think the Who could be 'prog' in a more open modern take of what prog is. Historically they jumped on the bandwagon a bit and didn't really help create it. Pete Townsends Lifehouse project could have been interesting. The were one of my favourite bands until I discovered Yes and ELP etc. A good 'primer' band for teenagers. Queen similarly.
The point about Genesis not being prog after W&W buys into the whole Genesis stopped being any good after Hackett left vibe that goes around. In truth you could put ATTWT and Duke under Crossover quite easily and even later albums are still 'prog related' at least so, for me, it would be after Duke they lost their way or at least started chasing the easy money. Abacab could have been interesting but it still feels half baked. That said it's the last Genesis album that worth taking seriously if only for what it could have been, maybe Gabriel could have guest returned and it might even have been amazing (?!)
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Grumpyprogfan
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Posted: December 29 2023 at 19:32 |
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Mike Keneally's solo material is amazing.
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Frets N Worries
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Posted: December 29 2023 at 19:20 |
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^Hm, I agree with VDGG and The Who
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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Hector Enrique
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Some points that I find interesting to share, although they
are not the only ones: Yes - Without Jon Anderson, it's not Yes - "Siberian Khatru" is overrated - The album "Big Generator" is underrated, like "ABW&H" - "Owner of a Lonely Heart" would have served a
lot commercially, it does no honor to the band Jethro Tull - They should have been called Ian Anderson band with a
guest guitarist: Martin Barre (Same case of ACDC: Angus Young Band, after the
death of Bon Scott) Pink Floyd - "DSoT" is underrated (the versions of “One of
These Days/Time/On the Turning Away/Comfortably Numb”, for example, are
unbeatable) - "The Final Cut" is an excellent album that is
underrated - This is very spicy: Syd Barrett is overrated (in my opinion
he is given many more merits than he really had, beyond creating the group,
what the band did later far surpassed him) Genesis - If they had started their career post “Wind and
Wuthering”, they would surely not be considered progressive and would not be on
forums like ProgArchives - Phil Collins was an excellent drummer, but as a singer he
is light years away. Dream Theater - After the extraordinary “Metropolis Part II”, New Yorkers
lost their inspiration along the way VDGG - Peter Hammill, obviously unintentionally, was the worst
marketer in his band. Many people in South America who love the most
representative progressive (Yes/Genesis/Pink Floyd, etc.) don't even know them
(similar case, to a lesser extent, to Andy Latimer with Camel). Who - "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia" are very progressive albums and could appear and be part of the best in the ProgArchives list, and not be considered just Proto Prog. |
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Cristi
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Posted: December 19 2023 at 15:45 |
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For the beginnings of progressive metal, Queensryche were important, along with a few other bands that were influential. Viovod and Fates Warning were two of them, as was Crimson Glory, Watchtower, Savatage, Heir Apparent to name a few more. One can argue Queensryche are not progressive metal, but they surely shaped the genre in its early days. |
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Intruder
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Y'know the band brought up by Krautrockers in the early 70s as their greatest influence? How 'bout the good ol' Grateful Dead. The most progressive rock band ever....they practically invented psychadelic music! In fact, name a prog subgenre and you can be certain that Dead have had a hand in it - psych-folk, jazz fusion, eclectic/crossover, electronic, space, even symphonic! Hell, man, I'm listening to the spaciest passages of Ash Ra Tempel's second album and had to stop typing 'cause of how much it resembled a spacy Dead jam. Make no mistake - the Dead are the most progressive rock band ever!
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Dapper~Blueberries
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I know I might get called blasphemous for saying this but...Queensryche shouldn't really be called prog. Idk, even with my biases against their music aside I just do not find anything really PROG about them that even bands from the 80s like Voivod and or Fates Warning do much better.(function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'83831db40f8b5346',t:'MTcwMzAyNTI5OC42MjIwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">
Edit: Did the forums glitch? That was weird? Edited by Dapper~Blueberries - December 19 2023 at 15:35 |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: December 19 2023 at 15:10 |
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I deleted an offensive post so there's some subsequent confusing posts.
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Zappastolethetowels
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Posted: December 19 2023 at 14:29 |
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^^what am I missing here?
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