Are proghead nerds?

Atavachron wrote: ^ No it's about what new generations like and listen to.   Nothing more, nothing less.   If you're listening to Diddy, that's on you.

Not quite as simple as that. You’ll notice that diddy said “we” control, not “I”.
Then go and have a look at the top music execs for the last 10 years you will see that there’s not much going on besides hip hop , pop, and rap . Influencers of popular culture have always, in the end, been businessmen, Not the young listeners of what’s being pushed out over social media, TV, and the airwaves. Even much of the music we love was marketed directly to us. And today, social media influencers with any clout are often paid well to push new music.

Clive Davis (92) is a star maker who has fully embraced hip hop and rap because it's very profitable, not because he likes the music. As was David Geffen, who has/had contracts on 40,575 records. As was Berry Gordy... Nothing has changed in the music business world except the music (if you want to call it that). Sure, you have choices when all is said and done, but these are billionaire moguls who care not about "The Music" and act as gatekeepers...For Money… The closest thing to Rock being pushed nowadays is “fall out boy”.   So, when Diddy says “we control” he’s’ correct to a great degree. Why wouldn’t you believe that? when literally Trillions of dollars are at stake for clowns like him?   Diddy, R.Kelly, both in jail… Many Others murdered. It’s an EXTREMELY high stakes racket.

The music I grew up listening to is re-released and re-released yearly... These moguls OWN much of these rock artist's catalogue. The Music belongs to THEM! They don't want to bring back this music for you... They only want to sell it. Because boomers still buy it.

Edited by Valdez - June 04 2025 at 10:43

^ People are sheep in a sense, but more than that they are force fed with one type of music and have no idea about existence of most alternatives. While in the 1970's everyman was exposed to a wider variety of sounds. There's no modern equivalence to Roundabout being played on the radio or whatever. Most people don't know about the newer music they could potentially enjoy more than... godawful Drake. They wouldn't know where to find it. I do think people in general are tired of everything sounding the same though. Young people do love a lot of older songs when they are exposed to it. Anyway Diddy is the 1165th most streamed artist on Spotify just behind Cat Stevens and over 1000 spots behind Beatles, Radiohead and The Police. Things could have been even worse than it is, and better music is actively chosen than what's being served (not that Diddy is served much these days).   

All I know is when the next new fad in music is realized, the money men will be on the scene immediately to push it on the masses, and race each other to create more of it… and then bleed it for every red cent. And the music business has been that way since Sinatra and Elvis. The masses are so easily sold. The sellers lay in wait… In mansions.

^^^ I guess is was the 3:27 edit of Roundabout that got radio airplay. What sells tickets at venues and festivals does not refelct the charts or radio airplay at all. Modern Rock, Jazz etc. is doing much better than a lot of artists with forgettable hits. I think the music listeners and their hunger for - if not Progressive Fusion - maybe something that feels "real and authentic" is underestimated by labels and others who push the songs we're forced to listen to whether we want to or not (not we as I). And I think they will die out eventually.

-I'm not sure what point that young much people rather listen to The Police over Diddy proved for you btw.

Edited by Saperlipopette! - June 04 2025 at 14:17

^Of course. I didn't even know he had opinions. I only used him because you wrote this

Atavachron wrote: If you're listening to Diddy, that's on you.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^^^ I guess is was the 3:27 edit of Roundabout that got radio airplay.

I still have that short 45 rpm record. Alas, no sleeve.

Atavachron wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: ^Of course. I didn't even know he had opinions. I only used him because you wrote this Atavachron wrote: If you're listening to Diddy, that's on you. Valdez posted the Diddy link, not me.

Yes I did…. I’m a music nerd.

Mmm it’s a definite No! I just enjoy complexed music!

I have been quite annoyed with certain "nerdy" "Prog traditionalists" who act like you are mentally deficient or deranged if you don't mention various big names in topics where such names could be relevant as well as people who complain about names getting mentioned in topics that are not so traditionally Prog or typically prog genre.

One person used to say of people like me that I liked obscure music for the sake of being obscure, which was not true. I did, however, like discovering lesser-known music and sharing it (and suggesting it for PA inclusion back in the day). And some of us just have less mainstream tastes in the context of "prog circles" than others.

As for gatekeepers/ traditionalists, one would get people complaining about letting in less traditionally Prog (less recognised as of a Prog genre) music into PA, opening up to more categories and styles, acting like the sky is falling when an act they knew little of beyond reputation or a song would get in that is not as associated with Prog generally. This used to happen a lot. Complainers would say that X has nothing to do with Prog and then it could become clear that they were hardly experts on X, nor experts on similar music already in PA.

And then there were those who would complain if one, say, brought up Radiohead in a topic in the Prog lounge, and those who come across like they look down on music included in PA if they think it is not worthy of the Prog label. And there are those who act like Prog is better than other music. One person said it's obviously the best genre, and people responded with, you really believe it's better than all classical, all jazz etc. etc.? Turned out he just meant pop and popular rock music. Whatever... *current mood, ranty*

The Dark Elf wrote: Logan wrote: I have been quite annoyed with certain "nerdy" "Prog traditionalists" who act like you are mentally deficient or deranged if you don't mention various big names in topics where such names could be relevant as well as people who complain about names getting mentioned in topics that are not so traditionally Prog or typically prog genre. Greg, I do that just to annoy you, knowing that you are indeed an obscurantist, and find actual good albums to be anathema. But find a recording of a Zeuhl duck clucking along in some exotic Anseriforme dialect accompanied by a mellotron? You are there!*** ***No Logans were actually harmed in the making of this post.

Ẁurdah waterfowl... I basically see myself as Dï Destruktïẁ Duk Kommandöh.