2000-2003 studio albums: 20 of my faves and 5 more

Down but posting again. Felt like I should log-in earlier, but taking the time to post 20 twenty of "the usual suspects for me" albums that I have enjoyed from 2000 to 2003, and the final five are popular albums in the PA chart that I have not got into to give this more variety and be less just about my questionable tastes. Again, multiple choice is not enabled, please vote for just the one album. And if you like any please mention it in a post. Feel free to mention others, but please try to vote for one and mention that in a post if any of these albums are both known and hold any appeal.

Air - 10 000 Hz Legend (2001)
Aphex Twin - Drukqs (2001)
Boards of Canada - Geogaddi (2002)
Bohren & der Club of Gore - Sunset Mission (2000)
Boris - Flood (2000)
Broadcast - The Noise Made By People (2000)
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots (2002)
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven (2000)
Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye (2003)
Motorpsycho - Phanerothyme (2001)
The Necks - Drive By (2003)
Pram - The Museum of Imaginary Animals (2000)
Rachel's - Systems/Layers (2003)
Radiohead - Kid A (2000)
Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M (2003)
Sigur Rós - ( ) (2002)
Stereolab - Sound-Dust (2001)
Sufjan Stevens - Michigan (2003)
Ulver - Perdition City (2000)
Woven Hand - Blush Music (2003)
Neal Morse - Testimony (2003)
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia (2002)
Spock's Beard - V
Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever (2002)
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane (2002)

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Yeah, Absentia for me as well.

I really liked that Kayo Dot title a lot. I like the POS and Sigur Ros. I don't much dig Radiohead, and I haven't heard quite a few of the others.

Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane

In Absentia over V and Kid A.

Voted for Porcupine Tree over Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Radiohead, Kayo Dot.

Transatlantic 😎

Transatlantic gets the nod.

Saperlipopette! wrote: Not interested/dislike: Neal Morse - Testimony (2003) Spock's Beard - V Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever (2002) Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane (2002)

I'm tired of you and Greg telling others what you dislike. Every opinion is valid. Your snobbery shows and it's disgusting.

A) I don't believe that every opinion is valid as not every opinion is soundly based in logic, fits the evidence, or is based in fact.

B) I don't think what art I appreciate is inherently or necessarily better than what another likes.

I have consistently stressed the subjective nature of appreciation and have often spoken out against the expression of "good" and "bad" in art.

Some things are better for me than others, some things resonate, others don't, but saying it's snobbery implies that I think it superior.   I think that that's an uncharitable assumption about my character. What I like is based on what resonates for me and there are a myriad of reasons for that. My interests, my likes and dislikes, reflects on my personality. And sometimes what I dislike in the now I might like in the future, and what I once liked I no longer like.

I see nothing wrong in mentioning what one likes and doesn't. Claims of good and bad often irk me. It helps to get to know people' tastes, what appeals, I find, for enjoyable interaction. It helps with recommendations, and I'm interested in finding common ground with people while recognising the differences.

I find it to be a far worse type of negativity, discouraging, and a more antisocial display of intolerance in terms of social interaction to say things like "Your snobbery shows and it's disgusting" (that comes off as very mean-spirited to me) than "I don't like Spock's Beard". I won't think less of you if you mention not liking Magma, for instance. I don't think less of Saperlipopette! because he does not appreciate Cardiacs.

I know some people seem to take it as a personal attacks when one mentions not liking something. I treat it as normal in sincere conversation. Comments like Will's I find very off-putting, and makes me not enjoy participating in this forum (very negative, very unpleasant and discourteous). It's the kind of really unpleasant thing that he has made me not want to stay on here. It's disheartening, it's very unpleasant, it's sad.

I wish we could be more tolerant and accepting when it comes to accepting and expressing differences of tastes and interests. I am a pessimist who does tend to prefer putting more time into focusing on the positive and what I appreciate, and I think I do that, but that does not mean that I think I should feel like I have to keep to myself negative experiences. I don't think you, Will, should have to either. We both should try to consider people's feelings, I think, in how we express ourselves -- demonstrate some empathy and kindness ideally, If my expression comes off as mean-spirited, or insulting, then I apologise to whomever -- often the words and ideas could have been expressed better. But I am not insulting someone by saying that I don't like some art they appreciate, and I don't feel insulted by them expressing the same as to what I like. I think it helps to know what people are into and not into when trying to get to know and understand them, and I genuinely care about people as individuals. I am surprised at the complaint, because I thought, you Will, have been open about your dislikes, and have not shied form negativity (you do comes off as grumpy).

And when you have had complaints, seems you often have complaints with me which i have often put down to misunderstandings of intent, I have tried to address them sincerely and explain my perspective, which I had hoped might be appreciated.

Edited by Logan - 7 hours 37 minutes ago at 23:15