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What I can't understand is why in hell members of this forum have irrupted on a Punk forum. It's their place and they can write what ever they want inside it, if I'm not wrong they never came here to criticize Prog' because I would be less polite than this punks were. 

What is worst, it's a waste of time, they won't see the light and leave The Ramones and The Sex Pistols for ELP or Rick Wakeman.

I don't like Punk, songs based in two chords are not music for me and the arguments they use to insult Prog' are stupid, but for God's sake, it's their forum, leave them with their ignorance.

If you want to bash Punk here, i will probably join you, but in their forum it's another thing, we don't want lurkers from every Rap, Punk and Disco forum writing their sh!t here, so we should respect their privacy also.

I hate Phil Collins stuff, but I wouldn't loose my time in a pop forum bashing him, I bash Phil in Prog forums because I don't believe he belongs here (and because it's fun )but outside Prog Archives people can say he's God and i don't care.

Live and let Live!!!!!!

Iván

Snow Dog wrote: Is Public Image Punk then? Post Punk/ New Wave yes, Punk, I don't think so.

If Johnny Rotten is the singer, it's punk.

goose wrote: You could probably argue what's punk and what isn't for even longer than arguing what's prog and what isn't (incidentally, is pop punk the punk equivalent of prog's neo prog? ).

i disagree, ones a money machine ones not

leonej_keyman wrote: ivan_2068 wrote: If you want to bash Punk here, i will probably join you Hmmm... If you don't like something, just ignore it. Don't waste your time bashing it.

It's consistent.

 if you like bashing punk, you shouldn't be ignoring it, nor bash the punk bashing, but wholeheartedly participate (nothing better than some of that good old ultra-violins)

If you don't like bashing punk, you should indeed ignore it, and not waste your time bashing the punk bashing, or even bother to bash the people who bash on the bashing of punk bashing. 

Snow Dog wrote: Phallusdei wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Is Public Image Punk then? Post Punk/ New Wave yes, Punk, I don't think so.   If Johnny Rotten is the singer, it's punk. There is no logic to that. It is a completely wrong statement!

Exacty, and PIL is no punk.

Moogtron III wrote: boo boo wrote: ivan_2068 wrote: Good to see you here Boo Boo, hope your musical taste is better than a few months ago . well im still a bjork fan, hope that dosent make me a vunerable target. That shouldn't be so, because Bjork is a very original artist, with a progressive attitude without being progrock (or prog dance if such a thing exists). Bjork is

No Moogtron, I have no problem with Bjork, don't like her music very much but I respect people's taste.

I like Meat Loaf and Jackson Browne music, so how could I criticize somebody for liking Bjork?

Our argument was because he said Bjork should be included as a progressive rock artist and in that point I strongly disagree.

But after the argument Boo Boo and I found we agree in many other things.

Iván

Snow Dog wrote: Phallusdei wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Is Public Image Punk then? Post Punk/ New Wave yes, Punk, I don't think so.   If Johnny Rotten is the singer, it's punk. There is no logic to that. It is a completely wrong statement!

Oh contrare Rodney. You are making the classic mistake of painting *punk* (whatever punk may be) into a stylistic corner as a genre.The Sex Pistols didn't sound Like The Ramones,The Slits didn't sound Like Talking Heads,The Clash didn't sound like The Banshees but they all coalessed under the punk flag. It was more about attitude than a style of music and Public Image Ltd and John Lydon in particular epitimised that attitude.Personally, I don't like any labels if it's good i like it if it's sh*te I don't.

Sean Trane wrote: Joren wrote: WHY BOTHER? Actually , this was a fairly good laugh, but our guys did not fare too well! Actually , their forum looked a bit like the layout of ours. Some of the members sounded a bit like ours, and they swore just a tad more......... my god!!!!!! They could be our twins!!!!! Hope these punks don't venture out here , they will laugh twice as hard as I did!! punk was about the attitude!!!!! Prog is about skill!

Sorry , but I couldn't help having a peek - especially as I missed the original arguement over on the Punk site.

I think you all have a lot of misconceptions about punk -

1) Sid Vicious  - well , if you think we all idolise him , if you check that website , you will find he is not held in great esteem  - just a cartoon punk.

2) Someone said about Lemmy & Motorhead  and to check out his previous band Hawkwind - they're one of my favourites and I did a topic on that site a time ago , you may be surprised to learn that a lot of people there liked them.

3) Punk is all about thrash and noise - NO , it is not . Punk has been around for nearly 30 years now and there are many different area's to it - some are I agree , basic and noisy , but you do have some skilled musicians among them , there are many fine ( or were in a lot of cases now) bands.

I must say when I was young , I was very narrow minded , but I tend to be  a lot more open minded these days ( I still can't stand Dexy's though ) . Punk has its moments and so does Prog , the trouble is that there is little common ground between the two , they are probably total opposites but I don't see why it should be a problem for anyone . I think the main discussion over on our site was started by early ( 1976/77 punks ) who probably mingled at school with progs at that time , that being the prevalent music of the time , if you discount the disco type stuff .Punk as a reaction to that, supposedly , would therefore be anti prog .Later punks ( 79 onwards ) didn't really bother that much about it , though punk by then had become pretty much a uniform - punk by numbers in the majority of bands cases . Personally , though I was a punk in '77/78 , I feel I got more from the later bands as they were more honest ( no Clash type sell outs ) but they were in many cases  a bit limited musically.

Punk - well , it was a kick up the arse , but could it ever achieve what it was supposed to be attempting to achieve. We were just a bunch of kids having a good time .

By the way , my favourite band are The Stranglers , so please don't tell me that they are just a thrash band as they at least are anything but.

I welcome more discussion on this  , on a friendly basis - I am not here for arguements .