Hating Dream Theater

NetsNJFan wrote: Lateralus_66 wrote: Hating Dream Theater..! What pathetic subject..!  If some people hate them, simply ignore them. Do not buy their music. Do not pay attention to their music… They do not deserve your precious time… Come on, It's fun

Come on!! After a while it gets sooooo tiring   - arguments just go round and round and round in circles - lets face it there will always be the diehard DT fans (of which I am not) and those who will never have them in their top ten prog groups (of which I am). Time to leave this forum me thinks and find intelligent discussion elsewhere

Blacksword wrote: I love hearing how people got into prog! Hey I'm only two years younger than you, and my first experience of prog was probably in 1980 - at the age of 11 - with Pink Floyd (The Wall) unless of course you count my run in Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds two years before.

Same for me! 1980 - at the age of 11 - Pink Floyd! My first exposition to prog. (If you don't count Alice Coopers "Halo Of Flies" as prog?)

DT sounds a little too much metal to me, but I am interested in giving them a try. Mikes Transatlantic project is fabulous.

Jim Prog Wizard wrote: I would say the three pillars of the genre (if prog can be called a genre) were Genesis, Yes and King Crimson, since ELP were at best inconsistent.

I disagree.  While yes, everythign ELP did after 1974 was more or less garbage, from 1970-1974, they were a much bigger prog outfit than King Crimson.  King Crimson is easily in the 4th spot, but I think ELP makes it in into the big three wiht YEs & Genesis because of their crossover appeal as well.

With the exception of 'Yes', I would say that ELP released the most consistent albums throughout the 70's. As for live shows, ELP could blow any band off stage. Again, only 'Yes' could boast of similar record breaking tours and attendences. Whilst both King Crimson & Genesis released classic songs, most of their 70's albums contained a few 'fillers' to make up an album. Genesis were never 'that' big in the 70's compared to the bands you mentioned. They were still playing universities whilst ELP were selling out stadiums!

You have to base arguments on facts or it's just subjective and based on oppinions. ELP's 70's albums and tours sold far more than Genesis or King Crimson or any other band of that genre with the exception of Yes & Pink Floyd. That makes them one of the three biggest bands of that genre. FACT!

As for musical consistency, it is all down to musical preference. The whole of the second side of 'Lamb' is filler IMO. I think Genesis more than any other band used filler material to make up 'time' on an album. Robert Fripp would fill up half an album just with improvisation to complete an album. Again, it's all down to individual musical preferences. The ELP 70's albums along with Yes are about the only one's I can listen to without skipping tracks. My preference of course but you can't ignore the facts!

King of Loss wrote: Manunkind wrote:

King, why did you edit my comment out from the quote? I don't want anyone here to think I post photos of swastikas for the hell of it.

For everyone's information - I posted this photo earlier in this thread with the following comment: "Now here's one band I hate". 'Nuff said.

goose wrote: Progger wrote: Robert Fripp would fill up half an album just with improvisation to complete an album. ...once?

Just about every album since Discipline is reminescent of 'jazz' improvisation where every sounds as if they are all doint their own thing. My oppinion of course

Everybody hating Dream Theater gets boring. If nobody minds I'd like to expand the subject matter a bit.

Does anybody hate:

Liquid Tension Experiment (much better than Dream Theater and I like them)

Mullmuzzler

Jordan Rudess

Transatlantic

Planet X

If I come up with anything else involving (ex) members of Dream Theater I'll post it.

Siloportem wrote: Everybody hating Dream Theater gets boring. If nobody minds I'd like to expand the subject matter a bit. Does anybody hate: Liquid Tension Experiment (much better than Dream Theater and I like them) Mullmuzzler Jordan Rudess Transatlantic Planet X If I come up with anything else involving (ex) members of Dream Theater I'll post it.

I don't hate DT but Liquid Tension is WAAAAAY better than DT.

All the rest is of that stuff is anywhere from crap to unlistenable or just plain drivle. 

Mullmuzzler is crap to the 50th power.

Jordan Rudess is boring off the charts

Transatlantic is stupid lyrics and retread themes that last way too long.  It's like the worst of SB and FK epics piled together for an extended play.

No comment on Planet-X...can't listen to them for more than 3 minutes without wanting to shoot my CD player.