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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ That's true, you do, but things were just a bit more interesting when people were having fistfights, shouting matches, blasphemous outbursts, shadowy backstage dealings, quiet coups, and threats of preemptive nuclear strikes.

I can go either way.




Well, we have the news for that. LOL Not the prog news either unless it involves the members of Yes. Tongue
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^ That's true, you do, but things were just a bit more interesting when people were having fistfights, shouting matches, blasphemous outbursts, shadowy backstage dealings, quiet coups, and threats of preemptive nuclear strikes.

I can go either way.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ It is a trade-off:  things are less heated around here which is good, but it makes for less passionate and dramatic exchanges and that attracts fewer participants & onlookers.


I disagree(at least with part of your premise). I don't think you need to resort to baiting and insults to be passionate about the music. I see plenty of passion around here without the jr. high mentality.
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^ It is a trade-off:  things are less heated around here which is good, but it makes for less passionate and dramatic exchanges and that attracts fewer participants & onlookers.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I doubt the site will last another 7.5 years, let alone 75.

Anyhow, it is the way it is. If you go to Progressive Ears, it is exactly the same. The Yes threads can be interminable, although there are a lot of very knowledgeable people on that site, and I contribute occasionally.

The 70's was the start of it all, and many of us are of an age where we have very fond memories. These bands were the founders of the genre, so it is natural they get more attention. This is precisely the reason, btw, that Prog magazine always carries the "stars" on its covers. A Yes cover will sell a damn site more than, say, some obscure modern prog band nobody barring the band members mums and dogs will have heard of.

That said, I agree with you. Modern music will be the future of the genre, and there is a lot of good stuff out there, and we do discuss and review it, to be fair. If you want more of it, then simply open up threads so we can look, listen, and appreciate.

With regard to your point about people leaving, as ever human nature is more complicated than that. There are a variety of reasons why people leave, many of them quite personal.

Some people harass others and some people just don't see the point of constantly dealing with the trolls and downright bad behavior. I don't blame them for leaving. Fortunately this site seems to be in a pretty good place right now and I have noticed very few incidents where people on here need a time out.Wink


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This is a comment that has been made before.  There are a lot of people that make this claim and complain about it, but there are very few that really do anything about it.  If you want to spread the good word about newer bands, that's fine, let's do it already.  I do it through reviews.  As far as the forum, however, your best response is going to come from bands that people already know, the ones they are the most familiar with.  But that doesn't necessarily mean that forums about newer music get ignored completely.  Many readers think, I must check that out, and then they forget about it, unless someone reminds them that they were going to check it out by giving more exposure to the band or album through reminders.  But the more you push it, the more people will remember.  I find the best results from getting people to listen come from the reviews, especially when the reviews are consistently good.  If you want to spread the word, write more reviews.  There are plenty of new releases in 2019 that still haven't been reviewed and I bet some of them are  excellent.  I keep finding them all the time. 
 
I have seen that you have tried to start discussions about newer bands before, and that's great.  But give us more to go on by doing reviews too.  Find some way to get the interest going and I bet you'll start getting responses.  But it won't help by pointing out an issue that has been pointed out before.  People have a somewhat common reference when it comes progressive rock and it usually seems to be with the older bands, use that to your advantage to present newer bands.  And most of all, don't give up, let people search in their own ways because if you start telling them what they should do, then they will tell you where to go, hopefully in a nice way.

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From the perspective of the whole history of music, Rock is still the latest thing Tongue
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Believe it or not, bands from the classic era continue to be unearthed.

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As long as bands from the classic era continue to attract new, younger fans, there is going to be demand for a site like PA.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

I am a newbie on this site and I have come to the conclusion that most forum members like prog from 50 years ago more than current prog bands. Most discussions/threads are about Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, Pink Floyd, much more than newer bands. That’s ok… I guess.

 

I have also read threads that mention a lot of members left the website. Why? Did they tire of discussing the same bands from the 70’s or just lose interest in prog? So, I will pose a question. If the PA website survives for another 75 years will members still be discussing bands from the 70’s more than anything? Will the PA top 100 prog albums change?


You get this far but leave out the elephant in the room.  Is there really going to be much deliberation and debate about MUSIC, esp non classical/jazz music, per se in another ten years?  Not the way things are going.  On the one hand, rents keep going up and live venues keep closing, making it harder and harder for bands to eke out any kind of living performing. On the other, if P2P was bad enough, now we have moved wholesale to streaming.  You'll need maybe 1 billion subscribers across the world to generate a total revenue of $12 billion annually at the abysmal rates these services charge.  And then, they will hand out the bulk to the genius wannabe Zuck who started it and his/her brilliant techies before handing over whatever remains to the musicians.  

With music getting so royally f**ked in terms of the economics, is it any wonder that discussion about new bands has dried up on this website?  It used not to be this way even six-seven years back.  Fewer and fewer albums get made, fewer still rise to the level where they can evoke the interest of any significant number of members here.  All very understandable and depressing. "One of the wonders of the world is going down, and no one cares enough."
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I doubt the site will last another 7.5 years, let alone 75.

Anyhow, it is the way it is. If you go to Progressive Ears, it is exactly the same. The Yes threads can be interminable, although there are a lot of very knowledgeable people on that site, and I contribute occasionally.

The 70's was the start of it all, and many of us are of an age where we have very fond memories. These bands were the founders of the genre, so it is natural they get more attention. This is precisely the reason, btw, that Prog magazine always carries the "stars" on its covers. A Yes cover will sell a damn site more than, say, some obscure modern prog band nobody barring the band members mums and dogs will have heard of.

That said, I agree with you. Modern music will be the future of the genre, and there is a lot of good stuff out there, and we do discuss and review it, to be fair. If you want more of it, then simply open up threads so we can look, listen, and appreciate.

With regard to your point about people leaving, as ever human nature is more complicated than that. There are a variety of reasons why people leave, many of them quite personal.
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I am a newbie on this site and I have come to the conclusion that most forum members like prog from 50 years ago more than current prog bands. Most discussions/threads are about Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, Pink Floyd, much more than newer bands. That’s ok… I guess.

 

I have also read threads that mention a lot of members left the website. Why? Did they tire of discussing the same bands from the 70’s or just lose interest in prog? So, I will pose a question. If the PA website survives for another 75 years will members still be discussing bands from the 70’s more than anything? Will the PA top 100 prog albums change?
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