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TODDLER 
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VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
 Posted: December 03 2010 at 07:44 |
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It is when you have generations of proggers who hail from the 80's or late 70's and they raise their kids on the big 5 or 6 prog bands and just the usual suspects in the mainstream Rock world in general. When I was 23 years of age, they were 17 or 18 growing up on the 80's Genesis and half exposed to the early material. The same deal with Yes. Then they raise their kids to follow that path. Then many of their kids think of PFM and a bunch of other bands as just being weird. Just as their parents reaction was to the underground scene of Krautrock when I would make attempts to expose them to it. Then the usual suspects in Rock come to mind as well.
And here is the result.... Eric Clapton......equals-God. Oh my parents were into him, so I must learn his songs on guitar or take a liking to his music. Peter Green.......Who is that? Rory Gallagher......Rory who? And if you are on the subject of Prog, it is obvious to me that many of these kids have the tendency to block out the underground prog scene from the golden age. Music doesn't come with a book of instructions and a definite list of bands. However it would seem that way with all the Genesis and Yes hype. My point is...how are you ever going to learn anything when you already know everything? There must be some kind of misunderstanding  |
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GaryB
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Joined: April 17 2009 Status: Offline Points: 451 |
Posted: December 03 2010 at 08:00 |
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You're right, the gap isn't that big.
I'm one of the "older ones" that still listens to metal / hard rock and can't see myself ever changing.
During the British Invasion I started moving away from the "Pop" style and began looking for something a little harder. I found what I was looking for in songs like "I'm A Man" by the Yardbirds, "Gloria" and "Mystic Eyes" by Them and "Psychotic Reaction" by The Count Five.
Then, there was Hendrix.
I choose Jeff Beck over Led Zep and swore for years that Beckola was the ultimate hard rock album.
I still crank it up when I play Skid Row, Whitesnake or Mr. Big (Addicted To That Rush has one of the hottest guitar / bass duels that I have ever heard).
And, I still put Pantera above Metallica, Testament and Megadeth.
I need to slip Kerbdog in here somewhere...Oh well.
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tamijo
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Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
Posted: December 03 2010 at 08:02 |
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Actualy i think what block most younger people from the early 70's scene, is the "bad" studio sound.
Sound changed a lot during the 70's, and those not around at the time, often find the early period to be messy.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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GaryB
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Joined: April 17 2009 Status: Offline Points: 451 |
Posted: December 03 2010 at 08:57 |
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I was never much of a techy. I started out listening to my music on a transistor radio and an AM only car radio. I thought I was really styling when I got my first 4 track tape deck. Studio recording still had a long way to go and concert sound was rough at best. Some of my early LPs were mono rechanneled for stereo.
But, it was all about the music to me, not the technology.
If some younger listeners shy away from the older stuff because of quality, I think they should just squint their ears and concentrate on the music.
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Curutchet
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Joined: March 18 2009 Status: Offline Points: 67 |
Posted: December 03 2010 at 16:23 |
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My father (50) and mother (48) used to listen to Genesis, Pink Floyd and Yes in the 70s. Then they stopped there and started listening to other genres in the 80s and 90s. But in the past 5 years I've re-initiated them to Prog. Now, their 80 GB iPod is filled with 60 % prog ! In turns out they still love it, plus they have discovered new bands that they really enjoy (Porcupine Tree, Riverside, Pendragon etc.) !
My uncle (mother's brother) has an extensive discography of prog LPs (full Yes & Genesis collection). I made him listen to Camel during a recent family gathering and he couldn't take the earphones off  Now, for his 50th birthday I'm going to offer him Camel - The Snow Goose & Soft Machine - Third (he's really into jazz and used to be a saxophonist, so Third strikes a nice balance don't you think). |
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KABSA
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Joined: September 09 2010 Location: midlands Status: Offline Points: 154 |
Posted: December 05 2010 at 11:09 |
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can also highly recommend : Soft Machine: the Complete Peel Sessions 1969-1971 elton`s sax is quite brilliant this features sax and brass like big band `machine` phenomemonal
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zwordser
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Joined: October 04 2008 Location: Southwest US Status: Offline Points: 1399 |
Posted: December 05 2010 at 15:18 |
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I'm 41 and much more into music than I've ever been. I mostly listened to classic rock in high school, though my favorite CR bands were Rush and Yes, so I had progressive leanings before I knew what "progressive" was. I had a prog rock gap in my 20's and early 30's when I was exploring a lot of classical and jazz. Then I began returning to prog in my early 30's. I'm quite immersed now. I listen mostly to the best 70's prog, I think mainly because its excellent music that has stood the test of time. But I know there's great music--even classics being made today (and that have been made in the 90's, 2000's) that have yet to fully be recognized, so I try to have an exploratory spirit. Once I get most of the top 100 collected (as rated on this site), I'll be looking more heavily into newer music. (It does help that I'm single and not currently working full-time, so I have plenty of time to explore music unlike many other people my age)
As to the generation gap: I've met so many people in their 20's who are really into later prog music, (bands like Tool, The Mars Volta, Dream Theater, etc.) who either have not heard the term "progressive" or not fully comprehended it. Some I have met have never heard of Rush or Yes or Genesis (but nearly all have heard of Pink Floyd--perhaps another discussion as to why this might be would be good). I love to share some of the older music with younger people, and I have, in turn, learned a lot about the newer bands from them. What I've found is that if they have the same "prog" leanings that I had when I was younger they will tend to like the older prog music, but many have just never been introduced to it. Example: I met a ~25 year old music lover on a work crew once. One day we listened to Moving Pictures on the way to work. He had never heard of Rush (I was actually kind of surprised) but from the opening note he was hooked. I let him borrow/listen to more of my Rush albums; I found it a little odd that he really took more to Power Windows that any other album; it seemed like he couldn't get enough of it (he mentioned that he'd never heard anything like it--grain of truth there, since it does kind of have a unique neo-prog sound) but such is the story of developing tastes. I think its a different story for younger members of this site. Most of the posts I've read from teens and 20 somethings hint that they like and listen to plenty of 70's and 80's music. I recall even seeing some posts in which younger members indicate they actually like the older music better. Some similar posts like that on YouTube as well. |
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Rottenhat
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Joined: February 14 2006 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 436 |
Posted: December 08 2010 at 13:57 |
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:) My not so favorite discovery, being 38 years old, is that my hearing is beginning to fail on me. Tinnitus and ear-locks and whatnot. It don't think it is because of loud music, but because of bad genes. :) I have to put an extra effort in hearing all music I want to hear now, so you bet I am passionate! I got zillions of bands to listen to, before I go Beethoven! :) Ta-ta-ta-taaa! Edited by Rottenhat - December 08 2010 at 13:58 |
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presdoug
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Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8849 |
Posted: December 08 2010 at 18:58 |
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i just turned 48, and i have bad tinnitus-it slowly evolved and in a sneaky way, it got worse and worse over the years until it was undeniably a problem (age 44)
i know i developed mine due to loud concerts and daily headphone use there is nothing you can do for existing tinnitus, except prevent it from getting worse i do not use headphones or go to concerts anymore, and just listen to music at home thru regular speakers i have been this way since i was 44, and though it is not getting worse, it is not subsiding either, which is disturbing what are ear locks? |
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Gerinski
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Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5160 |
Posted: December 09 2010 at 15:11 |
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Mmmm... I'm totally with you that good prog is much more than the big dictators, for sure I love PFM, Rory Gallagher (not so prog but excellent anyway) and a huge deal of many more "minor" bands (not too crazy about Fleetwood Mac though).
But having said that, I still believe that the big dictators were not so by chance or by present, they were truly outstanding and it is not easy to find bands who where at the same time so original and so good, and they are still the perfect starting point for initiating anybody to the world of prog.
Another thing is that you may have got enough of them after thousands of listens and are now into different stuff, for me it's a bit the same situation but I still hold the deepest respect for the big ones.
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Gerinski
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Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5160 |
Posted: December 09 2010 at 15:15 |
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: December 09 2010 at 15:57 |
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I still enjoy listening to the big dogs. I certainly wore them out when I first got into them, but as they went commercial and as time went by, I did get into other things and hence never got tired of them. I play the newer stuff in heavier rotation to be sure. Edited by Slartibartfast - December 09 2010 at 22:41 |
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presdoug
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Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8849 |
Posted: December 09 2010 at 17:10 |
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GaryB
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Joined: April 17 2009 Status: Offline Points: 451 |
Posted: December 09 2010 at 19:49 |
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When it comes to the "Big Dogs" I have mixed feelings. When you listened to your music at home you usually played albums from beginning to end. But, if you listened to the radio a lot you would hear just the "hits" over and over. So, I'm only burned out on one or two songs per album. Unfortunately, you can only listen to Aqualung, Have A Cigar, Stairway To Heaven, etc. so many times. |
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: December 09 2010 at 20:05 |
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I know what you mean, which is why I quit listening to radio many years ago. And you know what? As far as I know it's still legal to listen to whole albums.  Edited by Slartibartfast - December 09 2010 at 22:41 |
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GaryB
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 20:45 |
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Back in the day we had two or three rock stations and KNAC for heavy metal (today most stations are talk radio or Spanish speaking). I listened to the radio a lot at work because I was in construction and boom boxes were still allowed on the jobsites. Even though hard rock and metal fans were scarce on a jobsite I always played my stations whether the guys around me liked it or not. |
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kenethlevine
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Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9179 |
Posted: December 09 2010 at 21:12 |
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My problem with the big bands was mostly just over exposure on the radio, then and now. I always felt it was unfair that 10% of the prog groups were getting 90% of the airplay. It made them less special to me with each fawning DJ, less intriguing, less mysterious and haunting. It may be totally unfair of me to feel this way, and it's certainly not to take anything away from what those bands accomplished at all, but mostly I listen to and prefer groups that were not forced on me back in the day. Anyway, the big guys certainly don't need me. For every potential fan who feels like I do, there are thousands who continue to support them.
I have to say on the whole I think I like newer -eg-last 20 years - prog more than older prog now. I still enjoy what I liked from the 70s for the most part, but when it comes to being introduced to something I haven't heard, I think I'm more likely to enjoy the recent stuff because of clearer production and, for want of a better description, a less dated sound. Edited by kenethlevine - December 09 2010 at 21:14 |
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: December 09 2010 at 22:40 |
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You're Only As Old As You're Young.
Edited by Slartibartfast - December 09 2010 at 22:41 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Harleydawg
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Joined: November 29 2010 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 4 |
Posted: December 10 2010 at 13:33 |
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Went to school in Athens and I go to prog shows in Atlanta as often as time permits. Of course, The Allman Brothers Band probably were my very first taste into what I consider to be 'prog.' Then, as I matured, I discovered Rush, Queensryche, Floyd, King Crimson, etc. etc. More recently, I have submersed myself in Porcupine Tree, The Pineapple Thief, and Pendragon.
Harley
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jean-marie
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Joined: July 27 2010 Location: FRANCE Status: Offline Points: 2585 |
Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:11 |
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Slartibartfast wrote:
), and I simply stated that I had it up to here
with Genesis, Yes, ELP, and K.C.....40 long years of listening to them.....whether or not they turned commercial, I couldn't care less. You would have to twist my arm off trying to play their so-called epics and expecting me to bend an ear. Suddenly,...this young progger and a host of other age groups wrote in saying......"You belong to a Progressive Rock website and you dread Genesis, Yes, and ELP?",,,,,"Okey Dokey" I find that statement repulsive. How stupied can you be? There are hundreds of prog bands out there and from the past as well, who were more inventive to me than the big 3 dictators. I felt that way 30 years ago. These people haven't a clue. They treat the situation as if I am in church and don't believe in Jesus Christ. Talk about me being an extremest? Thinking I am a lunatic? Better re-examine your statements that feel so right to you and the surface world and start thinking more intelligent is what I say