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with all that i have read lately on this thread i have a conclusion:
 
why don't the admin team create a team that they revise every single review putting in PA,
 
I propose:
 
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Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

with all that i have read lately on this thread i have a conclusion:
 

why don't the admin team create a team that they revise every single review putting in PA,

 

I propose:

 

J Man

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I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Marty McFly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2009 at 14:44

Neither irony, or seriously meant offering. Well, he's not admin, so he can just propose, suggest, not offer, but still. I'm confused too.


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ok, deleted, no need to duplicate things.




Edited by MartyMcFly89 - September 12 2009 at 02:23
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2009 at 15:48
Marty, if you haven't seen this six page discussion (it's interesting reading):
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60524
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Is this even remotely appropriate?

1 stars Poor boys, this is what they call Prog these days.

Now, seriously. I DO like some Modern Prog, which is close to being not Prog at all, like COHEED AND CAMBRIA, DREDG or A PERFECT CIRCLE. But this is just beyond me. An alternative rock clone to QUEEN? Like MUSE, but worse? 3 (THREE) with cabaret? When I saw THE DEAR HUNTER regarded as Prog on some sites, I was only smiling, because those sites had 30 SECONDS TO MARS and COLDPLAY as Prog bands too. But good Lord, ProgArchives? Sometimes I think the definition of Prog/Progressive is too wide, and not every band, that's just a little bit more interesting than the others, should fall into this category.

The music left me totally cold and unamazed. Good for an alternative rock band, but average when compared to latest THE VERVE or even U2 efforts. Melodic, catchy, radio-friendly and so on, but where's the magic? Maybe, somewhere in earlir works of THE DEAR HUNTER, can you recommend me? Because for now I feel like I just wasted my time on what expected to be if not good Prog, just good music then! In 223892735th time I'm promising (to myself) to be more careful with hyped albums/bands, I swear! 1 star for my wasted time and money would be enough, I guess.

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^^I think it should be removed - All he says is that he likes other bands more and that he shouldn'tve bought it because of the hype...
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Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

^^I think it should be removed - All he says is that he likes other bands more and that he shouldn'tve bought it because of the hype...

Jester is important person here, he has done a lot of reviews and, from what I saw, most of them are good. But this is like giving Dark Side of the Moon 1 star. Not that I want to compare these two, but quality of both are clearly to see. Yes, both has these advantages elsewhere, but (oh crap, I again trapped myself into words) situation is similar.

No, I'm not comparing these two, but there are for sure ideas, this story thing (which is something one should evaluate also), emotion thing (can raise yours by strong story and that you can feel with hero/s, on the verge of emo music. But Coheed proved that even something touched by emo can be good prog) and all other reasons I gave in my review. OK, I agree that my Act III review is not so good as first two (was done in rush), but 

for hell's sake, one star ? Even for this Indukti album I hate I gave 2 stars. And people are mumbling that it deserves at least 3. Well, there I can get myself over ugly music. Over what can't anyone get here ? Over melody ? :-D Over perfect use of strings and various, not so often in music used instruments ?



Oh, by the way, thank you for Indukti thread. Very helpful. Basically, my rating was between 2-3. I choose 2(+)

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Personally, I think reviews that do not say anything about an album, and consist mainly of rants against the whole universe, should not be allowed. If I had written a similar review, I would expect it to be zapped in no time at all. Nothing against Igor, obviously, but PRs and Collabs should know better than to post things like that. Reviews should be a help to future listeners, not a place to vent about something that disappointed you.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Marty McFly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2009 at 11:06

Now I'm coming through my technical/extreme (where I have average of 3) metal redemption. In general, I can't stand death metal vocals. And prefer calmer, more cleaner things (Dark Side of the Moon style) things.


But now, when I'm listening Mastodon's Crack in the Skye (wait a minute, is that correct name this "Sky"e?), I feel very pleased. More than in other genres. This is something I was waiting for, something extreme and something that can get to me in good shape. And I'm confused, between 4 and 5 stars. Very pleasing, even given in not so pleasant form.


Raff, I agree with you.


Every genres needs their approach, correct approach. And good album to start with. 

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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Personally, I think reviews that do not say anything about an album, and consist mainly of rants against the whole universe, should not be allowed. If I had written a similar review, I would expect it to be zapped in no time at all. Nothing against Igor, obviously, but PRs and Collabs should know better than to post things like that. Reviews should be a help to future listeners, not a place to vent about something that disappointed you.


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The following review has made all the reviews below it in the italic format: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=125211
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I have a serious problem with most of this guy's reviews, but this is just poorly written and won't help anyone:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=6946

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1 stars Personally if this had been their debut I would not have looked at this band at all . Although SB maintains their sound, I find that by the time of its third release, the "formula" or the "SB recipe" has grown quite thin, and to make matters worse, the inspiration was completely gone. Certainly not my cup of tea, I never owned this album as well as the next one, but it was lent to me from a friend, so he would try to convert me to SB >> needless to say it did not work out.




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Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

with all that i have read lately on this thread i have a conclusion:
 

why don't the admin team create a team that they revise every single review putting in PA,

 

I propose:

 

J Man

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I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 14:29
^ he is suggesting that you two vet every review submitted before it is posted on the site. To make that work we would need a team of 20 or 30 editors, not 2 - but it is against the spirit of the site to even think about doing it .
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ he is suggesting that you two vet every review submitted before it is posted on the site. To make that work we would need a team of 20 or 30 editors, not 2 - but it is against the spirit of the site to even think about doing it .


Personally, I think he was being a bit ironic,,,

Honestly, folks, it seems like the reporting is going a bit... erm... out of hand. If we're removing things that aren't well written, I think my own back catalogue would have been slashed and burned a long time ago.
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He probably was, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt Tongue
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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

I have a serious problem with most of this guy's reviews, but this is just poorly written and won't help anyone:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=6946

Review by Sean Trane
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1 stars Personally if this had been their debut I would not have looked at this band at all . Although SB maintains their sound, I find that by the time of its third release, the "formula" or the "SB recipe" has grown quite thin, and to make matters worse, the inspiration was completely gone. Certainly not my cup of tea, I never owned this album as well as the next one, but it was lent to me from a friend, so he would try to convert me to SB >> needless to say it did not work out.



 
Yeah, I agree with J-Man here, it's not really helpful or descriptive, and it may just be a touch too short,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 15:55
There were different standards back in 2004 when it was written so I wouldn't report it in the Report Abuse forum, but it's not amongst Hugues better reviews.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

There were different standards back in 2004 when it was written so I wouldn't report it in the Report Abuse forum, but it's not amongst Hugues better reviews.


so why can't he edit those bad reviews? He has some awful Flower Kings reviews and they are all bashing them. The best thing to do would either delete or edit them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote J-Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 17:34
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

There were different standards back in 2004 when it was written so I wouldn't report it in the Report Abuse forum, but it's not amongst Hugues better reviews.


so why can't he edit those bad reviews? He has some awful Flower Kings reviews and they are all bashing them. The best thing to do would either delete or edit them.


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