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^Suites that don't flow are just annoying
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

My original CD edition of Prince's "Lovesexy" was released as a SINGLE TRACK even though it's really 10 distinct pop songs. This begs the question: what is a song? What is a track?

Even prog artists changed original side long "songs" into multi-tracks on later editions.

There's a clear gray area if suites don't flow smoothly together.

That reminds me that the original version of Ritual on Tales from Topographic Oceans was 21 minutes and some change while the live version on Yesshows (the re-released full version anyway) was 28 minutes and some change. 
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

What is a track?
 
A track is unequivocal: it is a logical division of the audio on a disc, or it is a single digital audio file.
 
Because a single piece of music can be logically divided without any regard to the musicality of the divisions, defining "a single piece of music" is not straightforward, although I think common sense makes it easier than attempting a formal definition.
 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I forgot about Mei. That's like what? 47 minutes long? Thick as a brick counts as one track too.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

What is a track?
 
A track is unequivocal: it is a logical division of the audio on a disc, or it is a single digital audio file.
 
Because a single piece of music can be logically divided without any regard to the musicality of the divisions, defining "a single piece of music" is not straightforward, although I think common sense makes it easier than attempting a formal definition.
 



I used to think the very same until i encountered so many ridiculously convoluted prog "tracks" that are really just individual songs stiched together that never combine and never repeat. These tracks simply exhaust one idea and move onto another unlike logical tracks that are more variations on themes. There are also gray area examples that sort of morph into another and yet are distant enough to be considered separate tracks.

I'm not talking about digital tracks. I'm talking about the artistic merits of a long track :)

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I long track shouldn't just be random songs, it's part that. But also should be thematically and musically linked
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^ that's the way i see it too :) Sometimes though artists simply throw a bunch of separate tracks together for the illusion of a longer track. But i believe in freedom of choice so whatever!

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

What is a track?
 
A track is unequivocal: it is a logical division of the audio on a disc, or it is a single digital audio file.
 
Because a single piece of music can be logically divided without any regard to the musicality of the divisions, defining "a single piece of music" is not straightforward, although I think common sense makes it easier than attempting a formal definition.

I used to think the very same until i encountered so many ridiculously convoluted prog "tracks" that are really just individual songs stiched together that never combine and never repeat. These tracks simply exhaust one idea and move onto another unlike logical tracks that are more variations on themes. There are also gray area examples that sort of morph into another and yet are distant enough to be considered separate tracks.

I'm not talking about digital tracks. I'm talking about the artistic merits of a long track :)
 
I wouldn't use the word "track" to describe what I think you are referring to. For example, when I recorded my vinyl copies of most of my albums, I simply recorded side one as one track and side two as a second track. Only for particular albums did I further split these side-long tracks into the individual tracks of the vinyl. Note that the single side-long tracks may consist of several pieces of music or songs having no musical relationship to each other, but they are still single side-long tracks as they are single digital files. Also note that the tracks depend on the medium as several tracks on the vinyl disc become merged into a single track as a digital file.
 
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Djam Karet - The Trip (47 Minutes)
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The Garden of Dreams by the Flower Kings is 59:25 but maybe there's something in between the two.
There is only one song I know between "Garden of Dreams" (my favorite song ever) and "The Whirlwind" (more of a suite than a song IMO). It's "Amarok", by Mike Oldfield (1990) clocking at 60:02.

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One long prog song that is divided into multiple tracks across two CDs is Motorpsycho & Ståle Storløkken - The Death Defying Unicorn (1:23:49). This is only slightly longer than what could fit on a single CD, so that one could have 2xCD songs that are much longer.
Although I love this double album so much, it does not feel to me as a single song. At all, to be honest. Does "The Lamb" album is one long song too? Confused
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Brave feels like one song, its isn't but they pulled off a neat trick I think.
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Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

One long prog song that is divided into multiple tracks across two CDs is Motorpsycho & Ståle Storløkken - The Death Defying Unicorn (1:23:49). This is only slightly longer than what could fit on a single CD, so that one could have 2xCD songs that are much longer.
Although I love this double album so much, it does not feel to me as a single song. At all, to be honest. Does "The Lamb" album is one long song too? Confused
 
Out of curiosity, do you think that Nektar - Journey to the Centre of the Eye (42:49) could be considered as a single piece of music (divided into multiple tracks)?
 
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I think it's a more interesting question to ask what the longest prog TRACK is. The distinction above got me thinking about why Garden of Dream or The Whirlwind don't feel like satisfying answers. You can choose to listen to each of the parts individually because they are separated into multiple tracks. What is the longest prog track, I wonder? The LP era ones won't count, since there are more limits to how much music vinyl can hold, and there's the side break. So TAAB, A Passion Play, TFTO, etc. don't factor in. This is a CD/streaming-era question.
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^ On the CD I have of Brain Salad Surgery, "Karn Evil 9" is a single track of length 29:38. It's probably the longest single track that I have. The Thick as a Brick CD I have is divided into two tracks.
 
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So, the 97 min version of The Absolute Universe doesn't count as it is more of a suite.
In the vinyl era there is the 30 min The Ikon by Utopia.
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Suites count in my book, would you say Suppers Ready isn't a single song because its a suite?
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How about The Sacrilege of Fatal Arms? by Devil Doll
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Album : 3
Track : Anonymous Two 
Length : 27 minutes

Artist : Focus
Album : Hamburger Concerto
Track : Hamburger Concerto 
Length : 20:19
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Beardfish - Sleeping in Traffic from the album Sleeping in Traffic Pt2 which is certainly one song/track at 35.44  (and tremendous it is too)

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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Here as some, not as long as your choice, but are worth a listen.

The Psychedelic Ensemble - The Tale of the Golden King (72:11)
Pat Metheny Group - The Way Up (68:07)
Alex Machacek - 24 Tales (50:39)


Thank You, I will check these out
When you do, please come back to this thread and provide feedback.
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