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Certif1ed
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 09:28 |
I would vote for Fish (predictably, perhaps!), but he's Scottish.
All of the others do what they do well, but none as well as Freddie Mercury did - love or hate his voice, it was everything from powerfully operatic to gentle and soulful.
ReedLover:
I fail to see what is so offensive about my "reply" to Alex Lifeson - I meant no offense, just a little redress of the balance. I have read that kind of argument from Record companies and bands sooo many times, and it exaggerates certain aspects in order to make the point.
The problem as I see it is that people often end up believing the exaggerations, focus is lost, and 9 year old children get fined thousands of dollars - which must be very scary for them and their parents.
I certainly did not and do not condone downloading albums (unless the owner of the material gives them away)!!!
I think you have just got the wrong end of the stick somewhere 
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 09:33 |
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Greg Lake has the most beautifull English voice for me.'The Sage' is a prime example.Too many singers try to sound 'American' or 'bluesy' but Greg steered well away thankfully. |
Geez, I wonder who I voted for. And for the same reasons as Richard (and not Peter, because he's my favorite). Long before I met him, I heard him... his voice makes my knees weak, his intonation is like no other.. he has one of the most unique, yet very English voices I've ever heard. Not only "The Sage", but listen to "Take a Pebble" or "Still" from Pete Sinfield's solo album... he's the only one who's voice I considered an instrument.. and the only one who's voice has made me cry.
The first song I ever heard him sing on was "In the Court of the Crimson King" (I have the 45) .. It was like listening to an angel sing..about courts and fantasy.. his voice bought up so much imagery in my head that when I did finally meet him for the first time, I had to control myself not to drop to my knees... (however, he did let me do that later... )
I know, I know... I'm a bad girl.....
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 09:54 |
I've heard of KISS and tell...

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Posted: September 17 2004 at 10:32 |
gdub411 wrote:
I think someone needs a hug
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You may well be right, gdub -- long story...
Thanks!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 12:44 |
Bad girls are more fun
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 13:00 |
The most natural gifted voice is by far Greg Lake, but being a vocalist is far more than having a great voice, I believe the best prog' vocalist is Peter Gabriel even if his voice is not as strong as Greg's.
Iván
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 13:02 |
Peter quoted Morrissey! Well done, sir! My own favorite quote from the Wilde wit is almost appropriate in this thread: "She said I know you and you cannot sing...I said that's nothing, you should hear me play piano."
Of all the singers listed, I'm torn between Gabriel and Jon. On one hand, Gabriel balanced his theatricality with a slightly raspy and yearning quality (I feel the same about Gilmour, to a lesser extent); while Jon Anderson at his best was able to counter the mystic poetic pomposity of the lyrics with an almost childlike openness like no one else, except possibly Nick Drake (who had less cosmic lyrics to begin with). And coming in third, Ian Anderson (in better days) had an incredible combination of amazingly disparate elements; folksy and yet wordly, lecherous and spiritual, caustic and tender.
I'm not in the camp that dislikes Geddy's voice (me mum didn't believe me when I said the singer was a bloke, haha), but I don't think it's typically very expressive (with certain exceptions). And I could understand where it might grate on people...perhaps it's an aquired taste. Didn't higher pitched voices used to be much more common than now? For a long time you couldn't sing for a hard rock or metal band unless you could hit notes that would shatter glass.
Greg Lake has his high and low points for me, but I think he's unbeatable on "Epitaph" and ELP's softer songs ("From the Beginning", "Take a Pebble", "Lucky Man"). And certainly anyone who can inspire the kind of feelings (and behavior) that Ms. fates illustrates must be worth something 
I'm surprised there's an anti-Wetton contingent; I could understand not being overly impressed by his voice, but actively disliking it? IMAO he was perfect on "Starless", "The Night Watch", and "Fallen Angel". My wife likes him on "Heat of the Moment" too- she made me put that in 
My favorite prog voice is the Leonardo Sasso- lead singer for Locanda della Fate- and I'm well aware that many people find him annoying. In general I think the italian bands have the best male singers. Strange that I'm put off by the more pompous English vocals but I love the rough operatic bombast of Locanda, Alusa Fallax, Deus ex Machina, etc...maybe I just don't want to understand the lyrics.
And one last thing- I'm a big fan of Zappa's voice when he does the sleazy deep-throated voiceover thing ("I am the Slime", and many others).
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 13:21 |
I'm surprised there's an anti-Wetton contingent; I could understand not being overly impressed by his voice, but actively disliking it? IMAO he was perfect on "Starless", "The Night Watch", and "Fallen Angel". My wife likes him on "Heat of the Moment" too- she made me put that in  |
Good point James, I can't understand how anybody could dislike his voice.
I still believe he's tone and range is very similar to Greg Lake's, even though he is a bit soulless.
I think some people mix the fact that some of his music is not very good with his voice, it's true that with Asia and other projects he released some crap, but that has nothing to do with his strong and beautiful voice.
Heat of the Moment is a terrible track, but his vocals are almost impecable there.
Iván
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 13:36 |
threefates wrote:
... his voice makes my knees weak, his intonation is like no other.. I had to control myself not to drop to my knees... (however, he did let me do that later... )
I know, I know... I'm a bad girl.....
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Heath!
You're off again - have some bromide asap - I'm getting old and don't know with this talk, whether I could stand the rush of blood to my..............head. Cold shower - it is (bloody English) raining outside.
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 13:39 |
I'll say it again, Ivan. I've heard both Greg and John sing quite a bit... studio and of course, live... and I find no similarities in their voices. They don't even sound alike in their speaking voices... Maybe you find the connection between imagery or something... I have no clue on that!
Actually Dave Kilminster sounds a little like John Wetton. Maybe if he sounded a bit more like Greg, I wouldn't feel the need to throw up when he sings "Lucky Man"...
Just a side note... of all the ELP tribute bands I know... Noddy's Puncture, Seven Virgins and a Mule, etc... they have no problems finding a keyboardist or a drummer... but a singer/bassist who can compare to Greg has always impossible for them. 
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 13:42 |
Marcelo wrote:
Wonderful voices includes Liliana Bodini from Zauber and Dalys Toruńo from Equinox? Estás seguro? Desafinan!
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Hay algo en su infortunio vocal que me encanta de sobremanera! Es como recalcar el asunto con Mariela! Suena espectacular en sus discos, pero ambos sabemos la verdad de las cosas (Por cierto, Dalys es hermosa al fin y al cabo! eso lo compensa todo )
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break the circle
reset my head
wake the sleepwalker
and i'll wake the dead
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 13:42 |
Dick Heath wrote:
threefates wrote:
... his voice makes my knees weak, his intonation is like no other.. I had to control myself not to drop to my knees... (however, he did let me do that later... )
I know, I know... I'm a bad girl.....
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Heath!
You're off again - have some bromide asap - I'm getting old and don't know with this talk, whether I could stand the rush of blood to my..............head. Cold shower - it is (bloody English) raining outside.
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Sorry!... See thats what his voice does to me...
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 13:44 |
Threefates wrote:
I'll say it again, Ivan. I've heard both Greg and John sing quite a bit... studio and of course, live... and I find no similarities in their voices. They don't even sound alike in their speaking voices... Maybe you find the connection between imagery or something... I have no clue on that! |
I knew that was comming. 
Probably I'm wrong and it's only a personal opinion but I know many people who thinks like me.
Iván
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 13:51 |
Well I can safely say that John Wetton's voice has never made me want to drop to my knees... or anywhere else for that matter... and of course thats MHO.
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 14:12 |
First, Reed Lover and Certif1ed (and Peter):
I read through your comments on the mp3 thread, and do not believe that either of you were out of line. Yes, passions were stirred, and perhaps things were said (as Asia would have it) "in the heat of the moment." However, both of you made cogent points, and other than a single mild insult (for which Reed Lover apologized immediately), everything was "kosher." So, at leat for now, can you two guys "kiss and make out"...er..."up?"  
Re this thread, I did not vote since, as one member pointed out, there are so many aspects of singing to consider, even given the specific title of the thread. As most do, I love Gabriel for what he does, the Andersons (both) for what they do, Lake (who has probably the most naturally "gifted" voice of all), and others.
Re Wetton, I always liked the "grittiness" of his vocals, and feel they were a good match for the majority of Crimson's material. However, I believe he does his best vocals on the two "U.K." albums, which have not yet been mentioned. Those albums prove that he can handle both "heavy" ("In the Dead of Night," "Danger Money") and "light" ("Nevermore," "Rendezvous 6:02") singing.
Peace.
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 14:13 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
^ Fair enough. Point taken, Reed.
It's just that all the rampant negativity and anger (here, and in the wider world) really brings me down sometimes, and makes me wonder if humans will ever get it together. So much ready anger and hostility out there (and in modern music) -- yet it mostly only makes things worse....
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Peter it is not rampant negativity and anger, it is passion!
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 14:30 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Peter it is not rampant negativity and anger, it is passion!
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I know thats exactly what it is on my part...
However, I think its also necessary to have a good sense of humor.
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 14:35 |
"Passion is no ordinary word...The world is easy when you're just playing around." - Graham Parker
Peter makes a solid point about the difference between words on a PC monitor and words exchanged between lads in a pub. I've cringed at things I wrote in the past that seemed so innocuous and justified at the time. In fact, I think one example was directed at Peter and he responded like a complete gentleman. So I make at least a slight effort to see how my words could be taken- not from any 'political correctness' sh*te, but simply because communication is all about the intent as well as the content.
And I think I should get an award for not re-stating my opinion of Peter Hammill's voice on this thread 
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 15:17 |
James Lee wrote:
"Passion is no ordinary word...The world is easy when you're just playing around." - Graham Parker
Peter makes a solid point about the difference between words on a PC monitor and words exchanged between lads in a pub. I've cringed at things I wrote in the past that seemed so innocuous and justified at the time. In fact, I think one example was directed at Peter and he responded like a complete gentleman. So I make at least a slight effort to see how my words could be taken- not from any 'political correctness' sh*te, but simply because communication is all about the intent as well as the content.
And I think I should get an award for not re-stating my opinion of Peter Hammill's voice on this thread 
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You showed great restraint. It is common knowledge( I thinK) that you pretty much don't care for hammill and VdGG. You have stated that on many threads and in reviews for the band no less. While I love this band ALOT I would prefer peoples bad reviews along with the good. If I am searching the archives and all I have is a bunch of clones singing their appraise for a band what good does it really do me? None really!!!
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Posted: September 17 2004 at 15:20 |
Thanks James. Once more I read your words and want to hang my head in shame!
Mind you, when I've a hard day dealing with my customers, saying "Yessir, No Sir Three Bloody bags full sir" you lot are always going to get it. By nature when ever I see the sense in an argument I want to take the opposite view, which tends to make me appear very negative, and not very sensible or sensitive for that matter. I am the kind of person who takes offence but thinks others haven't got the same right because "I am always right"or "I am only joking" This is the problem with being the "boss" at work-appearing to be right all the time is almost an end in itself.
That said you'd all better watch out: my inane rants get worse during Autumn and Winter as I dont get out as much!!
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