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E-Dub ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 24 2006 Location: Elkhorn, WI Status: Offline Points: 7910 |
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I don't think it's the lyrics people have a problem with, but the CONTENT of a song.
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fullbug13 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: February 06 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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I had to re-register just to voice my anger at this. You believe that God is an over-rated deity? I hope that you find the truth before standing in His judgement.
What you all seem to misunderstand, is that Neal Morse & Kerry Livgren have found Christ Jesus as their Savior. They are not out to musically appeal to anyone any longer; they are out to live for God and Jesus Christ. They are using the talents that God has given them to publically praise and worship our Father and King. Who cares what you think about them or their music! What matters is what God, the 'under-rated, under-worshipped, under-praised & mostly forgotten Creator' wants of them.
I am extremely proud of these men. I am proud of Brian Welch too, former lead guitarist of the hard core metal band Korn. When you find Jesus as who He is, the Savior of man, the ONLY way to personally know God the Father . . . you WANT to praise Him.
These men don't care if you want them to be or do or say what they did BEFORE finding God; they care more about "what does [my] God want from [me]".
Matt. 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who willfully sinned!’
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I Never Knew You - Matt 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. |
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laplace ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
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^ is that a troll or sock-puppet post? I can't believe that someone would do that in all sincerity. I voted in the negative not because of any bias or blah blah blah, but just because I think if they've had time to find god then their mind hasn't been on the music =P
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progismylife ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
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I don't think a band should go downhill when a band member finds God. I think they should continue playing but devote their playing towards God. It really bugs me when people feel they should stop playing a certain kind of music since they became Christian. I know a few people who burnt albums because they became a Christian and were a little over zealous. They regretted burning such albums since you can still enjoy music as long as God is still number 1 in your life. It isn't that hard to keep your focus on God and still play great music (well for me it isn't)
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Meddler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 29 2005 Location: Massillon Status: Offline Points: 881 |
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I'm gonna say makes it worse. No one should profane worship by using ROCK instruments to praise God.
Let's use the most rebellious instruments to praise God!! |
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darkmatter ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 23 2006 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 2760 |
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It's not a bad thing for band members to be Christian. I just don't like when lyrics start to involve God. It just seems.... weird to me. God and rock music don't mix in my opinion.
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Meddler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 29 2005 Location: Massillon Status: Offline Points: 881 |
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that's correct. |
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progismylife ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
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You it was a symbol for rebellion and that's why a bunch of the really old people don't appreciate rock music, but it is the way the intent of the artist that matters, not the instruments used. And besides it isn't profane worship if it is worshiping God. |
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fullbug13 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: February 06 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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In all sincerity, yes, I did do that! I have not posted in over a year and forgot my screen name. I visit this site almost daily, so call me a troll, I don't care.
However, I believe you are correct about one thing . . . I think when Neal and Kerry found God (spelled with a capital G), their minds where not on their music, but on God.
And you can quote me on that!
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I Never Knew You - Matt 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. |
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mystic fred ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252 |
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There can't possibly be room for Christianity in rock music, because as we all know - The Devil has all the best tunes! |
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progismylife ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
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I think it is really ironic that I am a Christian yet my favorite Iron Maiden song is The Number of the Beast. Edited by progismylife - February 06 2007 at 11:58 |
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Wilcey ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2696 |
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My daughter just looked over my shoulder as I was reading this thread on her way through the office......... "well, is there room for dogs in Rock music Mum???"
OK, I know another topic for another day.............
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E-Dub ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 24 2006 Location: Elkhorn, WI Status: Offline Points: 7910 |
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Exactly! I've never understood why people say that Christian music (in general) is 'preachy'. They're just writing from their heart, which is filled with the Spirit. If people have a problem with it, then it's them who has the issue and not the artist. E |
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Nash ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 30 2007 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 529 |
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i think that religion affects (most times) negatively a band
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E-Dub ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 24 2006 Location: Elkhorn, WI Status: Offline Points: 7910 |
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How? Please explain. E |
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Philéas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
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I don't think that generalization is a good idea in this case. If
someone in a band finds God, the music doesn't necessarily change
immediately. Perhaps it doesn't even change at all. This poll could turn into a useless "christian bands suck" discussion...
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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I think that it's pretty amazing that peope have absolutely no problem
with lyrics attacking religion and God, but yet as soon as there's
mention of a higher power or repenting people go running for the hills
claiming the music is ruined.
If you're going to say that finding God ruins a band because the lyrics become overtly attuned to their religion, you should say the same thing when atheists start vocalizing their dislike of God. Religion effect a band no different than any personality change of the band members will effect band. It may just shift priorities, as having a child, or conversely, becoming a drug addict might do. Sometimes these shifts are bad, sometimes theyre good, sometimes they don't effect a thing. So neither of these choices are correct. To pick on one person who believes it does effect a band.
Nash do you enjoy the song Halo by Porcupine Tree? |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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progismylife ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
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bhikkhu ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
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When someone has a spiritual awakening, it is going to affect all aspects of life. In a band situation, this will also change the musical dynamic. If what they originally had was working well, this probably isn't going to be a good thing. This is why Neal Morse felt he had to leave Spock's Beard. As a solo artist, he has been able to follow his musical path very successfully.
I have an understanding of this, having gone through a spiritual change myself. Once it has become more integrated in day to day life, perhaps some of these musicians could join their old band mates again. |
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E-Dub ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 24 2006 Location: Elkhorn, WI Status: Offline Points: 7910 |
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Just in case anyone needs a reminder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBAhvI0TRDs Edited by E-Dub - February 06 2007 at 12:55 |
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