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febus wrote: NaturalScience wrote: King By-Tor wrote: Yes read my reviews if you have time, just ignore the star ratings for now. Awake is heavier in general and you're not a metal guy. It's such a hard recommendation Hmm.  Maybe Octavarium would be better then. Hard to recommend to "not a metal guy" when we're discussing a metal band.    And in  case none of the options work, there is still Deep Purple In Rock so you're safe!

You took a wrong turn, Antoine, the Soft Machine and Bossa Nova rooms are down the hall. 

NaturalScience wrote: febus wrote: NaturalScience wrote: King By-Tor wrote: Yes read my reviews if you have time, just ignore the star ratings for now. Awake is heavier in general and you're not a metal guy. It's such a hard recommendation Hmm.  Maybe Octavarium would be better then. Hard to recommend to "not a metal guy" when we're discussing a metal band.    And in  case none of the options work, there is still Deep Purple In Rock so you're safe! You took a wrong turn, Antoine, the Soft Machine and Bossa Nova rooms are down the hall.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: HughesJB4 wrote: Goddamn, who keeps say ToT is thrash/speed? It's pretty much thrash/groove metal, there is a lot of emphasis on the "Groove", hence, groove metal. But yeah, I love the album because I'm an extreme metal fan and well, I think it's a really awesome extreme metal album with prog in it, rather than the other way around (which didn't affect how much I enjoyed the album, but for others it might) ... I honestly wouldn't recommend the album to someone that is not into extreme metal. ToT is Thrash. Speed Metal ... I never cared much for that label. Groove Metal ... sorry, but that's even worse. When I hear it, Mötley Crüe - Dr. Feelgood comes to my mind. "Groove" can mean anything, from Earth Wind and Fire to Pantera. So, I tend to stick by "Thrash", which is well established. It's also a coined phrase, but less ambigous ...

"Earth Wind and Fire to Pantera."
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Yes, but Groove metal, not groovy funk like Earth Wind and Fire

Groove metal can be defined as a genre with many similar musical characteristics as thrash (like, the lack of extreme melodicism present in power metal for eg.) but being based around medium tempos and rhythmically more "Grooving" than "Thrashing".
Like when Meshuggah went from fast paced thrash to slower, mid tempo stuff i.e from Chaosphere to Nothing.
That mid tempo sound of Nothing, is a prime and well known example of the Groove Metal feel, distinctly different to thrash rhythmically but not melodically.

And plus, the term has been used all the way back into the 90s, that is very well established in my mind and is very much accepted among the metal community.

cacho wrote: HughesJB4 wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: HughesJB4 wrote: Goddamn, who keeps say ToT is thrash/speed?It's pretty much thrash/groove metal, there is a lot of emphasis on the "Groove", hence, groove metal.But yeah, I love the album because I'm an extreme metal fan and well, I think it's a really awesome extreme metal album with prog in it, rather than the other way around (which didn't affect how much I enjoyed the album, but for others it might) ... I honestly wouldn't recommend the album to someone that is not into extreme metal. ToT is Thrash. Speed Metal ... I never cared much for that label. Groove Metal ... sorry, but that's even worse. When I hear it, Mötley Crüe - Dr. Feelgood comes to my mind. "Groove" can mean anything, from Earth Wind and Fire to Pantera.So, I tend to stick by "Thrash", which is well established. It's also a coined phrase, but less ambigous ... "Earth Wind and Fire to Pantera."metal Yes, but Groove metal, not groovy funk like Earth Wind and FireGroove metal can be defined as a genre with many similar musical characteristics as thrash (like, the lack of extreme melodicism present in power metal for eg.) but being based around medium tempos and rhythmically more "Grooving" than "Thrashing".Like when Meshuggah went from fast paced thrash to slower, mid tempo stuff i.e from Chaosphere to Nothing.That mid tempo sound of Nothing, is a prime and well known example of the Groove Metal feel, distinctly different to thrash rhythmically but not melodically.And plus, the term has been used all the way back into the 90s, that is very well established in my mind and is very much accepted among the metal community. A question: What label to do you put on Sabbath's Eternal Idol? Just curious what type of metal is it.

sleeper wrote: I'd go for Awake, a brilliant album and Voices remains one of the best songs written in quite some time, though I'm none too fond of Innocence Faded.

......Well, I thought that the obvious follow-up purchase would be Systematic Chaos, but I've asked Mike what about it, and from his point of view and Youtube video, it's not a good idea. Neither is Train of Thought(?), since it's the lowest rated and it's said to be their heaviest and less proggy, so another crossed option.
While from reviews the most suitable should be Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, since it's quite symphonic for it's epic the same as Octavarium, which by the way I just dislike Panic Attack and Never Enough, the rest I enjoy quite a lot.
Of course then is Images & Words, but I still have to find that one, the same for A Change of Season.

Recomendations? Comments?

Get Awake , you won't regret it. Besides , its cheaper than Systematic chaos. Go to Musimundo and get it for $ 26

Edited by crimson87 - November 09 2008 at 16:24

crimson87 wrote: Get Awake , you won't regret it. Besides , its cheaper than Systematic chaos. Go to Musimundo and get it for $ 26

I said I wasn't going to get Systematic Chaos, and the sample of Awake really turns me off. Still I may buy it after I&W. Do you know if Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is in Musimundo?

Train Of Thought is by far their heaviest. Out of these, I'd go with Awake. Very good disc, IMO.

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In a record shop called "Abraxas" If he hurries enough. That's the only SM record I left them