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Argonaught 
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 Posted: January 19 2015 at 04:51 |
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I am afraid I have never been able to "get" the TFTO. It feels like one of those stereograms that you can spend hours staring into and see only motley blobs of color.
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tamijo
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Posted: January 19 2015 at 06:39 |
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I have liked it all from the first time. I can't get into Relayer, instead. |
^^ this,
Can enjoy Relayer, but only in a very special mood, TFTO is one of my favorite Yes albums.
I loved it from the first day, everything is beautiful about the album, including the cover if you got it back in vinyl days.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 19 2015 at 06:49 |
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I've never been able to sit through the entire work. Large sections of the last two parts in particular seem like filler to me, and for the most part sound quite annoying. It sounds like they were determined to make a double album regardless of whether or not they had enough good material.
The Revealing Science of God, however is among their best work. For me it gives CTTE a run for its money.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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someone_else
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Posted: January 19 2015 at 07:14 |
I could "get" about 3/4 of the album quite easily.
Not quite my favourite, but on the positive side I can say that it does sound like a Yes album. The Revealing Science of God has some good moments, as shining gems trapped in concrete. The vocal intro is beautiful. Too bad that later releases have added two minutes of crap before it, with ruinous effect. The Remembering is rather boring, but I like the middle section (9-14 minutes). The Ancient is imho the best of the bunch.
My major problem with this album is Ritual. I could never get into this one even 38 years after I first heard it. And even if I live long enough to become ancient, I never will. To my ears it sounds utterly pointless; it comes from nowhere and it goes nowhere. I have developed a particular dislike against this track.
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moshkito
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Posted: January 19 2015 at 08:10 |
Finnforest wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
You should never start to finally get an album. Either you appreciated when you first heard it or your didn't. The worst thing you can to is to try and force yourself to appreciate any album that doesn't suit your ears...
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Can't agree with that one I'm afraid. There are a fair number of albums over the years that I did not appreciate on the first listen, and they ended up being albums I love. Just me I guess, but sometimes it takes me time to warm up to certain albums.
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Finn ... he's right ... same thing with a woman that was not suited for you in the first place!
tamijo wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
I have liked it all from the first time. I can't get into Relayer, instead. |
^^ this,
Can enjoy Relayer, but only in a very special mood, TFTO is one of my favorite Yes albums.
I loved it from the first day, everything is beautiful about the album, including the cover if you got it back in vinyl days. |
I always thought that RELAYER was more of a reaction to the fans and media responses to TFTO. And there are times when the artist has a right to tell either his audience or critics to get f**ked! Plain and simple! I honestly think that the majority of the long piece is that ... and after that a sort of apology but that God's children are also sacred, even after their opinions.
My time with YES ended with TFTO, but I do have Relayer.
Edited by moshkito - January 19 2015 at 08:18
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richardh
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Posted: January 19 2015 at 15:08 |
Barbu wrote:
Worse than a toothache. |
headache maybe? or an itch you can't scratch?
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Skullhead
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Posted: January 19 2015 at 22:25 |
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It's amazing really how few here really get this album that was so groundbreaking at the time.
I remember having really in depth, deep conversations about it with contemporaries of that time.
If it doesn't find an audience here, where does it?
Are people in general more closed minded than they were 40 years ago?
It sure seems like it.
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 19 2015 at 22:40 |
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^ I don't know, I didn't appreciate Tales when I was young and first getting into Yes. On the other hand, with all the interest here in avant-garde and myriad other forms of challenging music, I understand your perplexity.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Skullhead
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Posted: January 19 2015 at 23:20 |
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Steve Howe playing side 3 on acoustic guitar.
Still don't get it?
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/4496574
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 06:49 |
Skullhead wrote:
It's amazing really how few here really get this album that was so groundbreaking at the time.
I remember having really in depth, deep conversations about it with contemporaries of that time.
If it doesn't find an audience here, where does it?
Are people in general more closed minded than they were 40 years ago?
It sure seems like it.
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It's got plenty of appreciators here, just perhaps not as many as CTTE. It polarises opinion among fans, and also among the band members. Commercially it did really well, but it was riding on the coat tails of CTTE and despite it's high chart positions was given a luke warm response by critics and many fans at the time. There are moments of greatness, but for me they are mostly condensed into the first side.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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twosteves
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 08:21 |
Skullhead wrote:
It's amazing really how few here really get this album that was so groundbreaking at the time.
I remember having really in depth, deep conversations about it with contemporaries of that time.
If it doesn't find an audience here, where does it?
Are people in general more closed minded than they were 40 years ago?
It sure seems like it.
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Agree it's almost crazy---the album was taught in colleges and discussed ----the hate for the album is weird but so is the over the top love for all things VDGG---but it is what it is.
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moshkito
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 08:24 |
Skullhead wrote:
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Are people in general more closed minded than they were 40 years ago?
It sure seems like it.
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Not really. But there are more people that are so stuck on the top ten mentality that they have no idea what they are saying and why.
It was just as bad then, even in Santa Barbara! The "interest" in the street, was just about the same as it is here, up to and including the fashionistas and the club'istas, and idiot'istas, and rock'ist'as and the dark'istas! Of course, we're the prog'istas!
Edited by moshkito - January 20 2015 at 08:39
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Walton Street
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 08:34 |
I don't think being close minded is a proper term to use if the people in question listened to the album and didn't like it. Close minded is appropriate if they wont give the album a chance - refuse to listen to it. Once you do listen to something a few times and still can't connect with it - that's just chemistry.
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"I know one thing: that I know nothing"
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tamijo
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 08:43 |
 Good and fair observation, we like what we like.
Edited by tamijo - January 20 2015 at 08:43
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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moshkito
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 08:54 |
Walton Street wrote:
I don't think being close minded is a proper term to use if the people in question listened to the album and didn't like it.
Close minded is appropriate if they wont give the album a chance - refuse to listen to it.
Once you do listen to something a few times and still can't connect with it - that's just chemistry. |
I don't know about that! In those days, that blonde sure looked nice and it wasn't about the chemistry ... it was about the third leg! Sometimes a thing or two clicked, but I did not have any girlfriends at the time that enjoyed YES, or PINK FLOYD for that matter! But mention some dancing or disco? ... they were all there!
Sometimes the music doesn't click. And at other times, people imagine its meanings ... (Stairway to Heaven is perfect example!) ... and they think they are onto something glorious ... there is a side to that which is good ... but there is another side which is not ... deception, it's called and by the time you find out, it's too late!
I have an idea of what Jon is doing in that piece ... but I know one thing ... it's extremely honest and caring ... and I find that very strong, and above and beyond a lot of rock music out there!
Edited by moshkito - January 20 2015 at 09:00
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Rednight
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 09:18 |
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I know I can get into it. I know I can get into it. I know I can get into it. I know I can get into it ...
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'PiphanyRambler
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 10:14 |
Walton Streets wrote:
Once you do listen to something a few times and still can't connect with it - that's just chemistry. |
I agree with this, but I'd like to say that some albums are far more difficult to connect with than others. For some albums I had to spend much more time than others before beginning to like them, because I knew too little music (I still do).
I think taste grows with knowledge. If you try to listen to something you're really not accustomed to, you may find it hard to digest. But if you listen to something that's similar but not so far from your tastes, you learn to appreciate it and you'll listen to something slightly different the next time and so on...
And that's the reason one could need to return multiple times on a same album (or perhaps that's just me).
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 10:15 |
Rednight wrote:
I know I can get into it. I know I can get into it. I know I can get into it. I know I can get into it ... |
... and if you don't, move on.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 20 2015 at 10:15
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Walton Street
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 10:54 |
'PiphanyRambler wrote:
Walton Streets wrote:
Once you do listen to something a few times and still can't connect with it - that's just chemistry. |
I agree with this, but I'd like to say that some albums are far more difficult to connect with than others. For some albums I had to spend much more time than others before beginning to like them, because I knew too little music (I still do).
I think taste grows with knowledge. If you try to listen to something you're really not accustomed to, you may find it hard to digest. But if you listen to something that's similar but not so far from your tastes, you learn to appreciate it and you'll listen to something slightly different the next time and so on...
And that's the reason one could need to return multiple times on a same album (or perhaps that's just me). |
i know what you're saying - but sometimes it's just going against the grain no matter how you educate yourself. We have personal tastes that are shaped by thousands of experiences and the timing of those experiences as we grow. I think some people can continue to grow and shape their tastes, others cant. It's not a good or bad thing - it's just what it is. put another way - i believe it's the same as imprinting. It mostly happens at a younger age when you're susceptible to it. after time the window closes and the core of your personal tastes have been formed. you can still build on it but for the most part something is locked inside. I think this is what people here flippantly attribute nostalgia to but i think it's more significant than that. i'm obviously simplifying things because it's hard to articulate properly .. and different people have different rates of growth and some people may always be open to impression - that's all part of what makes us different. also - i don't know about everyone else but what i listen to is always determined by my mood. sometimes i am in the mood for the music i rarely listen to .. but mostly not.
Edited by Walton Street - January 20 2015 at 10:59
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'PiphanyRambler
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Posted: January 20 2015 at 11:03 |
Very interesting, I had never taken the "age factor" in account. It definitely has a big influence.
Walton Street wrote:
i don't know about everyone else but what i listen to is always determined by my mood. sometimes i am in the mood for the music i rarely listen to .. but mostly not. |
Yes, I can relate, there are those albums that I feel like listening once in a blue moon. In those particular moments they sound like the most amazing thing ever. The day after I just shrug my shoulders at them.
Edited by 'PiphanyRambler - January 20 2015 at 11:04
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Maybe I'm finally starting to "get" Yes' TFTO.
