Punkers Hate Us More...Look

The prog fans who went and posted on the punk forums are pathetic.  They are like those religious cults that ring your doorbell and try to get you to convert.  Nobody cares about these people and slamming the door in their face is just an annoyance.  I seriously want to go over to that forum and write an apology.  I want to tell them that not all of us are like that and that we will all leave them alone.  I'm sure if the people from there came and insulted our views and opinions on this site we'd be horribly pissed.

I'm not a huge fan of punk, but I do enjoy the Clash every once and a while.  A couple of my friends like punk and they also enjoy some prog and classical music.  The way I see it is, punk is music you listen to while your mind is focusing on something else, like writing a report or exorcising.  It's what I deem "working music."  Prog is what you listen to when you want to be taken away, so to speak.  You want to be absorbed in the music and give your mind a challenge to unravel the mysteries in the music.  It's what I deem "contemplating music."  Most people I'm aquainted with concur with this theory.  I believe we should put aside our differences and focus on the common enemy...rap!  Then, once that is defeated, we stab punk in the back and become the supreme rulers of rock!

Forgotten Son wrote: Exorcising? Is that something you do regularly?

Curse my horrible typing! Oh well.  When in Rome. The power of Christ compels you!

Here is some anti-Clash ammunition to fire at the punks:

Joe Strummer was a diplomat's son - he wrote songs about revolution but never went so far as to actually go and fight in one, preferring to live in his London squat with fellow 'slumming it' rich kid Jasper Conran (ie. he was just another middle class prat playing at being a revolutionary).

The Clash's White Riot was adopted as an anthem by racist British neo-Nazis (oops!).

The Clash produced Sandinista, a triple 'concept' album (oh, the irony) based around the theme of rebels and the oppressed. The Sandinista were Nicaraguan 'freedom fighters' whose troops committed massacres in which dozens of indigenous people were killed and buried in mass graves (pretty suspect for a concept methinks - I'll take mechanical armadillos or topographic oceans any time).

In short the Clash were posturing phonies who produced three or four good singles - better than Genesis managed in the 80s maybe but not much to hang a 'legend' on.

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The sight of a punk forum that censors the word "sh*t" amused me greatly.

Fragile wrote: gdub411 wrote: The Minstrel wrote: The prog fans who went and posted on the punk forums are pathetic.  They are like those religious cults that ring your doorbell and try to get you to convert.  Nobody cares about these people and slamming the door in their face is just an annoyance.  I seriously want to go over to that forum and write an apology.  I want to tell them that not all of us are like that and that we will all leave them alone.  I'm sure if the people from there came and insulted our views and opinions on this site we'd be horribly pissed. ...my thoughts precisely. While I think their music is tripe, I wouldn't waste my time going over to their forum and giving them a hard time about their music tastes. What do we call that again?........TROLLS!! Right Gdub this is twice within a week I find myself not disputing your usual wayward thoughts!! What's happening to me??? I'm in total agreeance leave those spunks to their own sites and their music to stun pigs.

You know what I find amazing. You once told me you never read my posts because I never had anything worthwhile to say....twice in a week you have read my posts. I think I'm going to cry.

Drachen teaker wrote :

Here is some anti-Clash ammunition to fire at the punks:

Really I don't think we shouldn't involve The Clash into a discussion to proof punk is bad. Because of the following reasons :

• a good guy - bad guy discussion is always stupid. We're talking 'bout music and that's got something to do with musical taste and you can't discuss on that issue. Either you like The Clash or you don't and that's it, it proves nothing.
• This band was one of the few that proved some of music which was classified as punk had some musical interesting influences, you can like it or not but the melodies are strong, the songs are decent, I will not deny I really like some of their stuff and that's something no one should be embarrassed with. For me, bands like The Stranglers or this band were the best of what this genre had to offer.
• Personal attacks to the background of some of the musicians are childish. It doesn't mean anything. Pere Hammill was the son a captan of industry ; does this mean you should or shouldn't enjoy his music ? I don't think so ! Every person has the right to choose what he stands for and this can be different to what his parents stands for. Otherwise the world would be a boring place to live, you would be able to classify every person by knowing the home where he grew up.
• It is possible to show the negative sides from every social movement even if these bad examples are in contrary with the ideals of that same movement. It may be repulsive ; again, it doesn't mean the band didn't release decent stuff which is enjoyable
• At the time punk was reacting against many things, progressive rock was just one of these elements and everyone has the right to have it's own opinion. The way of reacting may come across as immature but that's their problem, it's not ours.  

Fishy wrote: Drachen teaker wrote : Here is some anti-Clash ammunition to fire at the punks: Really I don't think we shouldn't involve The Clash into a discussion to proof punk is bad. Because of the following reasons : a good guy - bad guy discussion is always stupid. We're talking 'bout music and that's got something to do with musical taste and you can't discuss on that issue. Either you like The Clash or you don't and that's it, it proves nothing. This band was one of the few that proved some of music which was classified as punk had some musical interesting influences, you can like it or not but the melodies are strong, the songs are decent, I will not deny I really like some of their stuff and that's something no one should be embarrassed with. For me, bands like The Stranglers or this band were the best of what this genre had to offer. Personal attacks to the background of some of the musicians are childish. It doesn't mean anything. Pere Hammill was the son a captan of industry ; does this mean you should or shouldn't enjoy his music ? I don't think so ! Every person has the right to choose what he stands for and this can be different to what his parents stands for. Otherwise the world would be a boring place to live, you would be able to classify every person by knowing the home where he grew up. It is possible to show the negative sides from every social movement even if these bad examples are in contrary with the ideals of that same movement. It may be repulsive ; again, it doesn't mean the band didn't release decent stuff which is enjoyable At the time punk was reacting against many things, progressive rock was just one of these elements and everyone has the right to have it's own opinion. The way of reacting may come across as immature but that's their problem, it's not ours.

 

Your quite right Fishy, I was being very childish (but I bloody well enjoyed writing it!).

I know a couple of Clash fans at work (who I'm actually quite friendly with so long as we avoid music) and if I'm ever foolish enough to mention my liking for prog they always come out with the inevitable hoary old cliches about triple concept albums and 20 minute drum solos, as though that's what the music consisted of.

Being a bit of a wind-up merchant I've found that some of the comments I listed above are amusingly effective at arousing their ire. In my experience it's usually punks who make an issue over bands' backgrounds. My barbs about Joe Strummer were used on one of the Clash fans who called Yes a bunch of 'middle class t*ssers', coneveniently forgetting the roots of his own hero (and ignorant of the fact that Jon Anderson of Yes was a former milkman from Accrington with more prole credentials than Mr Strummer).

I really couldn't give a monkey's what class Strummer's parents were, but I object when people try to portray bands like the Clash (and punk per se) as somehow more 'authentic' than prog music because of the 'street' image they portrayed.

As you say, everyone has the right to their own opinion and that is mine... 

AtomHeartMother wrote: atleast the punks arnt saying punk is the only good one, their jsut saying prog is bad, progs are saying that progs the only good one, and that punk is bad

oh no, you should come to know that a lot of prog fans enjoy classical music and jazz just as much, as well as more desperate styles of music.

AtomHeartMother wrote: boo boo wrote: AtomHeartMother wrote: atleast the punks arnt saying punk is the only good one, their jsut saying prog is bad, progs are saying that progs the only good one, and that punk is bad oh no, you should come to know that a lot of prog fans enjoy classical music and jazz just as much, as well as more desperate styles of music. i was saying that on the punk web site it looks like the progs only like prog and no other style.

well, this forum has more open minded members, expecialy when prog fans can respect the principles of punk weither they like it or not, why cant these punk fans do the same for prog?, or any other genre they think are below them?, why?, WHY?

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