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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2015 at 11:47

Originally posted by Walton Street Walton Street wrote:


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i know what you're saying - but sometimes it's just going against the grain no matter how you educate yourself....

Reminds me of a comment that Vangelis made ... to tell a 4 year old child that what he is playing is wrong is "criminal" ... and I think what he is suggesting is that you close down the avenue that the child has that helps create something, be it music or otherwise.

I agree to this vehemently, and not suprisingly enough, advanced acting exercises make a point of taking the actors to a "child" stage, as a way to help the actors work around simpler things, and perhaps discover other attitudes and ideas that can be used in acting. Thus, you might even find actors "goof'ing" off as a way to let off steam and add to the work, as well.

The harder part of this all, is that as wwe become adults and age, a lot of these things end up "lost" and many folks have a tendency to look back and think a lot of that silly ...  but if there is one thing that is strange is finding that musicians are not always ready to have a little fun in rehearsal as a way to learn something new ... it has to be a riff, for example, and that is always a mental exercise, not a true instinct exercise. "Instinct" exercises require a completely different point of view and experiment ... and this is not something everyone is comfortable with all the time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2015 at 15:35
Originally posted by Skullhead Skullhead wrote:

It's amazing really how few here really get this album that was so groundbreaking at the time.
I remember having really in depth, deep conversations about it with contemporaries of that time.

If it doesn't find an audience here, where does it?

Are people in general more closed minded than they were 40 years ago?
It sure seems like it.

Saying TFTO's detractors are "close-minded" is pretty insulting. Not just are tastes subjective, but this album is the work of a band overextending itself, and has nothing to say. The band didn't have enough for the double LP to start with, so they padded. Even before that, they made a few poor choices here and there that already dragged the record down - its good moments aren't worth as much in light of that alone.

And, for the last time, Anderson based the entire album around a FOOTNOTE, not any actual scripture! I find it amazing that you found plenty of deep things to say from lyrics so shallow. They have the same worth as those from "Roundabout": vocalised excellently, but meaningless to a fault.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2015 at 16:32
People are really tying themselves in knots here. Its 4 very separate pieces of music linked by a common theme. There is no rhyme or reason why you should like all of it less trying to force yourself which is ridiculous. Tracks 1 and 4 work okay for me. I quite like Steve Howe noodling away on acoustic as well. Its a good album for those too lazy to get up and change the CD but still want a decent varied listening experience.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2015 at 01:13
Originally posted by 'PiphanyRambler 'PiphanyRambler wrote:

Originally posted by Walton Streets Walton Streets wrote:

Once you do listen to something a few times and still can't connect with it - that's just chemistry.



I think taste grows with knowledge.


BINGO!!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2015 at 07:21
Originally posted by Skullhead Skullhead wrote:

Originally posted by 'PiphanyRambler 'PiphanyRambler wrote:

Originally posted by Walton Streets Walton Streets wrote:

Once you do listen to something a few times and still can't connect with it - that's just chemistry.



I think taste grows with knowledge.


BINGO!!!
 
I think that's mostly BS.
 
define 'knowledge'
 
taste can grow with exposure to different things - some things will stick - others not.
I'm not about to learn the piano or take musical theory so I can appreciate 'xyz'
 
learning the theory of something might make me appreciate it more but there is no guarantee i'll like it any more than before.
 
it's quite arrogant to think otherwise ...
 
this can be applied to film and literature as well ..
 
by that logic you're saying that you will love EVERYTHING if you know more about it.
Ridiculous.
 
"I know one thing: that I know nothing"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2015 at 08:08
Ok guys, you showed me how poor my English is. Perhaps I used "knowledge" in the wrong way.
I meant to say exactly what you said, ie. exposure. I know absolutely nothing about musical theory.
I wanted to say that knowing (being aware that there is) more music can lead to expand one's taste, because it will generate curiosity. Hope it's clear now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2015 at 08:18
Originally posted by 'PiphanyRambler 'PiphanyRambler wrote:

Ok guys, you showed me how poor my English is. Perhaps I used "knowledge" in the wrong way.
I meant to say exactly what you said, ie. exposure. I know absolutely nothing about musical theory.
I wanted to say that knowing (being aware that there is) more music can lead to expand one's taste, because it will generate curiosity. Hope it's clear now.
 
it can (exposure) - but it might not ..
I try new music all the time - some sticks, some gets shoved to the back of the collection.
"I know one thing: that I know nothing"

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