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What's everyone's general thought on this one?:



I'm really, really enjoying this one. I'm wondering why I haven't noticed it being talked about around here as much, or maybe I just overlooked it, or a combination of both lol LOL.

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

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I'm really, really enjoying this one. I'm wondering why I haven't noticed it being talked about around here as much, or maybe I just overlooked it, or a combination of both lol LOL.

Hi,

Nice ... I'm not sure that it is on the same vein as the great trip bands, like PFM, BANCO and even LE ORME, but the music is nice, and it might end up needing a few more listens. The top "three", have had for many years a sense of musical quality that is not about rock'n'roll, but about the quality of their own music and the care they take to create it right ... the recent PFM and BANCO have shown that the quality is still there even though it is not the "same" band per se ... and Vittotio is not Francesco. And we all miss the original PFM with its great harmonies and musical design ... truly enjoyable.

I'll listen to more of it, and find it just a small bit influenced by PG in the vocals ... and it takes the "individuality" of the music away for me ... but it's still fine, although I have a tendency to think that the musical passages are unfocused and do not get the theme of the whole piece as strong as it should. But, that might be my ears not being familiar with the band ... I'll hear some more ... though I am not convinced that this is a "top band".
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

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Classic album. Apoteosi is probably my fave Italian album. Arti e mistieri I prefer more than pfm. Area is cool. Banco I love Io sono and Di terra. I quite like Primavera too. I’m not crazy about their first 2 albums or their 75, 76 albums though. Pfm are ok. Lisola is cool. Amico I quite like although it’s not quite my style

All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

What's everyone's general thought on this one?:



I'm really, really enjoying this one. I'm wondering why I haven't noticed it being talked about around here as much, or maybe I just overlooked it, or a combination of both lol LOL.

It's brilliant! There's a band that should've had a prolific career. Do you have the version with the two bonus tracks at the end? Cono Di Gelato isn't very prog but it's so pretty it's wroth having imo.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

What's everyone's general thought on this one?:



I'm really, really enjoying this one. I'm wondering why I haven't noticed it being talked about around here as much, or maybe I just overlooked it, or a combination of both lol LOL.

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I'm very glad to see such positive reviews on Maxophone's album here; it's incredible. I don't know how the hell I missed this one; there's SO much good Italian prog that rivals the golden era US stuff!

EDIT: Just found and purchased a sealed, imported copy of the Maxophone CD from Italy via eBay! Tongue


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^Yeah, like 47 years ago and not when you say so.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:


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Hi,

Glad that you now have it ... but in my years ... I have to tell you that hearing it and having had it played (by Guy Guden in his show MANY times!!!) on the air, was more valuable of an experience ... the band sounded really good and had some neat material, and was always a big part of the show as were other Italians.

There is a difference hearing it now, than there was then. The music sounded fresh, new and neat ... hearing it today in the middle of all hundreds of thousands of choices, has made for a sort of washing of their music to the point where it no longer seems as strong and as important as it was then!

It's just a weird feeling ... for me ... rarely does a band that I have not heard in the 70's (specially!) as an example, grab me, and it has nothing to do with them being good or not ... the "freshness" of the material is not standing up as much as it probably did then in A DIFFERENT TIME, than it does today.

Still a wonderful album, and I prefer the Italian to the PH translation (I think it was his translation) on the English version!
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

I rarely see them talked about much on here compared to other bands, especially PFM! What are your thoughts on this "sleeper" Italiano Prog act, in particular these two recordings:

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Let's have some discussion on this not-so-often mentioned Italiano Prog entity! Thoughts? Likes? Dislikes?  Is this Italian ELP? GO!!!

Le Orme together with Pfm and Banco are considered the three most important and famous groups of Italian prog. Their albums are thinner and shorter, however, than those of the other two groups, and never contain suites, and therefore do not appear at the same level of quality. 

Felona and Sorona is considered their most mature work being a concept album, 


but in my opinion from a strictly musical point of view Collage is the real masterpiece. 

In my opinion, Uomo di Pezza is an excellent album, but slightly minor (same for Contrappunti). 

Here my review on Uomo di Pezza: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=2135639


Collage is also the first real Italian prog album, being from 1971, while the debut of Pfm and Banco was in 1972. Le Orme immediately had a great commercial success, comparable only to that of Pfm, but in Italy, where the prog music was linked to the student movement and left-wing politics, Le Orme have never been fully appreciated by prog fans, as their lyrics are often linked to religious themes, treated with delicacy and poetry.
The musicians of Pfm, Banco and Area are left-wing politics oriented.



Two other curiosities: Pagliuca, the keyboardist, was often helped by the classical composer Gian Piero Reverberi, and together with him they did a different operation than that of Emerson Lake & Palmer: while Emerson was trying to play classical music in a rock way, the Pagliuca did the opposite, they tried to play rock as if it were classical music, and in my opinion the compositional level of the keyboard parts of Le Orme was of a higher level than that of EL&P, and resembled that of Quatermass more.




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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:


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Hi,

Glad that you now have it ... but in my years ... I have to tell you that hearing it and having had it played (by Guy Guden in his show MANY times!!!) on the air, was more valuable of an experience ... the band sounded really good and had some neat material, and was always a big part of the show as were other Italians.

There is a difference hearing it now, than there was then. The music sounded fresh, new and neat ... hearing it today in the middle of all hundreds of thousands of choices, has made for a sort of washing of their music to the point where it no longer seems as strong and as important as it was then!

It's just a weird feeling ... for me ... rarely does a band that I have not heard in the 70's (specially!) as an example, grab me, and it has nothing to do with them being good or not ... the "freshness" of the material is not standing up as much as it probably did then in A DIFFERENT TIME, than it does today.

Still a wonderful album, and I prefer the Italian to the PH translation (I think it was his translation) on the English version!

I hear you but I feel you could say that about literally any band, genre, any generation. All those bands were better live, or having been heard pre-high fi era where you only had analog amplifiers, records, and live scenarios. For me music is timeless, and this type of prog proves it. As a psychologist, I find it interesting that several posts appear to want to either dissuade or marginalize another person's interest in a style, yet this place is flooded with repeat polls of the same types of bands, whom by your same logic here, aren't worth discussing MORE so than Le Orme, simply due to their frequency of discussion in the first place.

Le Orme is fantastic and it shouldn't matter when, where, or why you find or enjoy ANY music.
 

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

^Yeah, like 47 years ago and not when you say so.

U mad bro?

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

I rarely see them talked about much on here compared to other bands, especially PFM! What are your thoughts on this "sleeper" Italiano Prog act, in particular these two recordings:

 & 

Let's have some discussion on this not-so-often mentioned Italiano Prog entity! Thoughts? Likes? Dislikes?  Is this Italian ELP? GO!!!

Le Orme together with Pfm and Banco are considered the three most important and famous groups of Italian prog. Their albums are thinner and shorter, however, than those of the other two groups, and never contain suites, and therefore do not appear at the same level of quality. 

Felona and Sorona is considered their most mature work being a concept album, 


but in my opinion from a strictly musical point of view Collage is the real masterpiece. 

In my opinion, Uomo di Pezza is an excellent album, but slightly minor (same for Contrappunti). 

Here my review on Uomo di Pezza: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=2135639


Collage is also the first real Italian prog album, being from 1971, while the debut of Pfm and Banco was in 1972. Le Orme immediately had a great commercial success, comparable only to that of Pfm, but in Italy, where the prog music was linked to the student movement and left-wing politics, Le Orme have never been fully appreciated by prog fans, as their lyrics are often linked to religious themes, treated with delicacy and poetry.
The musicians of Pfm, Banco and Area are left-wing politics oriented.



Two other curiosities: Pagliuca, the keyboardist, was often helped by the classical composer Gian Piero Reverberi, and together with him they did a different operation than that of Emerson Lake & Palmer: while Emerson was trying to play classical music in a rock way, the Pagliuca did the opposite, they tried to play rock as if it were classical music, and in my opinion the compositional level of the keyboard parts of Le Orme was of a higher level than that of EL&P, and resembled that of Quatermass more.

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Thank you so much for your input, insight, and links! I'll most certainly be checking out your reviews. I'm enjoying all the above bands!

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Hi,

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

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I hear you but I feel you could say that about literally any band, genre, any generation. All those bands were better live, or having been heard pre-high fi era where you only had analog amplifiers, records, and live scenarios. 
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That was not what I was trying to say and I think that you added more to it than it was there. It doesn't have to do with the digital/analog bologna, either.

At the time, the only thing there was on the radio was a lot of top ten and the hits. FM radio provided something a bit more (later called "classic" to give you an idea) and it was during that time that at least one person in Southern California was playing Le Orme a lot ... and the sound of it was nice, fresh and pretty. 

Today, as an idea, I just heard some of the new stuff from Transatlantic, and I couldn't help thinking ... that there is no freshness, though the obvious quality of the musicianship makes it look like it is better than it really is.

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

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For me music is timeless, and this type of prog proves it.
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I think you misread what I wanted to say ... psychologists are "known" to follow the book, not be with the "patient". (hehehe!!!) ... it had to do with listening/hearing new things ... and my feeling about accepting it is still the same (person!), though it is a different time. I, likely, have more classical music in my collection than you do, and I came from a house that had over 2K albums of classical music (at least 50 operas!) from the earliest and I even added some Tomita, and Tangerine Dream to it. 

Nowadays, almost none of the "recordings" of a lot of classical music are not half as good as Karajan, Mr. Leinsdorf, or even Leonard Bernstein ... and that is similar to what you are suggesting, with the difference that these days there are no conductors that make the music "come alive" ... no surprise that at the same time, a lot of the "new" music is not as strong and great as we hope to find ... and the most we can appreciate is the re-hashing of Transatlantic (for lack of a better example) and such ... but for me, listening to any Le Orme, all the way past SMOGMAGICA IS A FANTASTIC LISTEN, that still stand out.

Music is timeless ... as you say, but it takes the folks of today to help it stay so ... and rock music in its commercial state, is re-hashing the same sound and bands, instead of the music that was different, fresh and exciting, like Le Orme, Banco and PFM were at that time ... when everyone was sucging on BS, DP, and a couple of bands that had OK stuff, but were now mostly copying themselves and their "fame". 

For the record so you get a better idea, I have one BS album, no DP albums (might get one of the orchestral ones), and only 3 JT albums (TAAB, PP and MIAG), and my listening in those days was already attuned to a lot of French, Spanish, Italian, German and other European bands ... that many people are just discovering now.

You know what it feels like ... ohhh man, I just heard Wagner or Verdi! And all you can say/do is ... ohhhh !!!! 

TIMELESS means that it was always there in the first place! Not that it was discovered today, and that is not to say that your ability or tastes didn't hear that earlier, until now (for example) ... but for many of us that were there, you kinda represented exactly what prevented so many folks from listening ... because it was different, and not the "norm" of patterns and recognizable music.

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 As a psychologist, I find it interesting that several posts appear to want to either dissuade or marginalize another person's interest in a style, yet this place is flooded with repeat polls of the same types of bands, whom by your same logic here, aren't worth discussing MORE so than Le Orme, simply due to their frequency of discussion in the first place.
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And I marvel at your inability to see what it is I'm getting at. I never have set out to dissuade or marginalize something, specially when history has already show it to have been there ... what it the point of doing that to history, unless you want to make some kind of point to support your contention and thinking that in the past everyone should ignore Beethoven and Mozart!

The "frequency" is another story that has more to do with one's ability to learn more about the "history" of it all, than it does with anything else ... when it is simply (yet again) about your favorite song, THAT is marginalizing the music to just songs, and dissuading people from believing that these were the artists of our time ... because it isn't "serious" music ... it's a pop song!

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Le Orme is fantastic and it shouldn't matter when, where, or why you find or enjoy ANY music.
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(sorry ... issues with the quotes!!! All relies in Italics)

When was this in question? We played it then, and I would say that I was on my 2nd or 3rd copies of their first 5 albums ... but you have no idea how much was played since you have never heard a Space Pirate Radio show and how much of this stuff was played and how much Eurock talked about it, and how much that magazine GPR fought for this stuff like we did ... for you it's all meaningless history because you never heard it or learned about, so it's easy to discuss some "psychological" babble for lack of saying something of substance!

What you failed to grasp was ... it was played then, and well known within the circles of "imports" as they were known then. And everyone of those "imports" became very well known ... but you wouldn't even realize that Genesis was one of them ... that didn't hit the hills for skiing until SEBTP.


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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

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I'm really, really enjoying this one. I'm wondering why I haven't noticed it being talked about around here as much, or maybe I just overlooked it, or a combination of both lol LOL.


This one is certainly a tough nut to crack. It took me a long time to finally recognize it as a masterpiece.

RPI was and is surprisingly consistent in high quality. There are some duds of course but WOW!

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

What's everyone's general thought on this one?:



I'm really, really enjoying this one. I'm wondering why I haven't noticed it being talked about around here as much, or maybe I just overlooked it, or a combination of both lol LOL.


This one is certainly a tough nut to crack. It took me a long time to finally recognize it as a masterpiece.

RPI was and is surprisingly consistent in high quality. There are some duds of course but WOW!

Really, wow! VERY interesting to me; this one clicked immediately on first listen, lol! It was similar magic to hearing PFM Per Un Amico for the first time. First track, it just clicks. This has everything I intuitively reach for regarding progressive rock during this era! Italia!!! Smile

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Good band (Le Orme) although I'm not really up to speed with them in all honesty. A bunch of albums sitting on the shelf and looking pretty enough but no great desire to listen to them if I'm honest. If you can find it , check out the live version of Felona et Serona at Progfest 97. Pretty damn brilliant.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Good band (Le Orme) although I'm not really up to speed with them in all honesty. A bunch of albums sitting on the shelf and looking pretty enough but no great desire to listen to them if I'm honest. If you can find it , check out the live version of Felona et Serona at Progfest 97. Pretty damn brilliant.

I'm loving the album, so I'll most certainly seek out the live version! Tongue

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Like what you like, and have your reasons for liking it if it makes you feel better. I'm really happy you've been delving into RPI, Frenetic Zetetic. Makes me want to check out more RPI albums I haven't gotten around to yet. Are there any other bands that have a complementary sound to Le Orme?
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something nice , a live 2005 concert

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

What's everyone's general thought on this one?:



I'm really, really enjoying this one. I'm wondering why I haven't noticed it being talked about around here as much, or maybe I just overlooked it, or a combination of both lol LOL.


Absolutely love it, all songs, since I know it (mid 90's).

I hear some don't see it as much "RPI" as other bands/albums. I can see why, also considering the english version of this album, but am perfectly fine with that; and maybe that is also why my other favorite from PFM is 'Chocolate Kings'.

Here I put together some posts I've made about Maxophone (sorry about the auto reference =P I did it just for the fun! most are very recent, but surprised myself to find the two bottom-most are from 2006! 🧐  highlighted my favorites or the most directly related):
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Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

What's everyone's general thought on this one?:



I'm really, really enjoying this one. I'm wondering why I haven't noticed it being talked about around here as much, or maybe I just overlooked it, or a combination of both lol LOL.


Absolutely love it, all songs, since I know it (mid 90's).

I hear some don't see it as much "RPI" as other bands/albums. I can see why, also considering the english version of this album, but am perfectly fine with that; and maybe that is also why my other favorite from PFM is 'Chocolate Kings'.

Here I put together some posts I've made about Maxophone (sorry about the auto reference =P I did it just for the fun! most are very recent, but surprised myself to find the two bottom-most are from 2006! 🧐  highlighted my favorites or the most directly related):




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Amazing and perfectly timed; my Maxophone disc arrived yesterday and I LOVE the packaging, booklet, and all the little stuff that came with it! This is most certainly a sleeper prog band and they nail that nostalgic sound my brain craves. I absolutely love everything about this band and release.

I'm digging through your links now! Tongue

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