Dream Theater - the reasons

Anyway you were being deliberately provocative...so what dya expect?

When did this topic turn into a name-calling contest?  I think that when a topic like this gets to a point where certain people are just bad-mouthing each other is just plain stupid.  I thought most prog fans were a little more intelligent than your average music lover, but the comments that have been said in this forum are part of the reason that I hate this forum at times.  If you can't think of a logical way to state your opinions or to back them up without resorting to petty name-calling, then you should be banned.  Period

Now that that's out of the way....

I really like DT for the following reasons:

Instrumental skill:  Like it or not, The members of Dream Theater are some of the most talented musicians out now.  If you could play guitar like Petrucci or drum like Portnoy, would you want to show it off?  I think that most of us would say yes.

They can also make a great introductory band.  If you find a friend who happens to like them, tell them about some other prog artists, and see if they like.

That's my 12 cents.

Reed Lover wrote: Oh sorry,you are older? Not very nice language for a lady......

It would be easier to understand this little f**ker if he were at least a bit funny, BUT HE IS NOT!! He's just a wannabe-funny-guy who talks a big load of bullsh*t and gets everyone annoyed.
So Reed Lover, Could You Shut Up?

Valarius wrote: goose wrote: Valarius wrote: They're my favourite band... but people hate them for: 1. Playing fast and showing off... although I've never understood what's wrong with people playing fast. I think it's more the latter part Valarius wrote: 2. Not being innovative. Although god forbid every band only being good if they're innovative. A lack of innovation has no place in progressive music. To my ears they've done innovative things, though. Valarius wrote: 4. "Not even being a prog band". Oh dear... I better throw away 3/4 of my cd collection then coz it's all heavy metal. It's a justifiable "complaint" on a prog forum, though? Valarius wrote: 5. Ripping off Metallica riffs. Oh dear... god forbid playing like the people you idolise. My band has a similar sound and style to Dream Theater. Better quit now then. I don't think that's a big gripe people have - but there are places where it's not just playing like Metallica; it is playing Metallica (in Metropolis Part I and somewhere on ToT - I don't know the exact bits offhand). What it all comes down to is that Dream Theater are good at some things, and not others - like any band. It's just the things that they tend to be good at (not just playing fast, but that's certainly one of them) don't particularly appeal to the fanbase of progressive rock. If I were to listen to them with "pure prog" ears, perhaps I wouldn't like them. If I were to have only come across them today, perhaps I wouldn't like them. But as it is, they brought me from metal into prog and I listen to far too many styles beyond prog to be worried by a bit of metal. I can understand all your arguements, especially number 4, but I've never agreed with any band being hated for doing something different from what they started with. Dream Theater started as prog... we all know they're heavily influenced by Heavy metal, so let them do a heavy metal album. That's my opinion anyway.

JESUS CHRIST!!!!Quote over quote over quote!!GUYS....i think every band big or small has its own strengths and weaknesses that they capitalise upon....DT plays "oh so fast",petrucci`s work is tedious at times but has a lot of charecter...myung and portnoy are probably near the top at their instruments...rudess is good and labrie sucks.........notice the last one.Does it ring a bell?Now try 2 answer the eternal Dt question....why do they have such long drawn out instrumentals...labrie is the reason.AND as sum1 here has said...its about personal choice...that dude cudnt care less bout ELP,i dont like genesis,lifeson aint that good,lee is one of the best,i love Zappa.DT are only doing what they are best at....if that works with the fans...i think they should be left to do their stuff.YES....criticism where its due.I think DT will be a better band the day they stop taking inspiration from Maiden&Metallica and stop chasing new fans by becoming more and more mainstream.If they focus more on prog than cannibalising st.anger sales...every album can become I&W or scenes from a memory.     

BTW awake is an awesome album, a little chessy as always but very good playing, especially moore

And besides, they are progressive: their every album is a deviation of their paradigm, without ignoring the characteristics of their style...

alan_pfeifer wrote: When did this topic turn into a name-calling contest?  I think that when a topic like this gets to a point where certain people are just bad-mouthing each other is just plain stupid.  I thought most prog fans were a little more intelligent than your average music lover, but the comments that have been said in this forum are part of the reason that I hate this forum at times.  If you can't think of a logical way to state your opinions or to back them up without resorting to petty name-calling, then you should be banned.  Period

How many more times???

I badmouth a band and get slated-if I dont respond then the antipathy doesnt continue,but the buggers will do it again.I am pretty sure that Snow Dog will not dip his toes in the waters of controversy again.......si I am sparing someone else a slating.

As for the being banned? Who made you the arbiter of taste?

Logos wrote: Reed Lover wrote: Oh sorry,you are older? Not very nice language for a lady...... It would be easier to understand this little f**ker if he were at least a bit funny, BUT HE IS NOT!! He's just a wannabe-funny-guy who talks a big load of bullsh*t and gets everyone annoyed. So Reed Lover, Could You Shut Up?

No.If you get annoyed because someone slams your band you should not be on a forum.Forum etiquette works both ways,I will always defend myself even if it means crossing the line occasionally.
BTW: this little f**ker
You listen to any Roger Waters? What's his phrase ? Oh yes,"with the luxury of being out of range"

 

Reed Lover wrote: alan_pfeifer wrote: When did this topic turn into a name-calling contest?  I think that when a topic like this gets to a point where certain people are just bad-mouthing each other is just plain stupid.  I thought most prog fans were a little more intelligent than your average music lover, but the comments that have been said in this forum are part of the reason that I hate this forum at times.  If you can't think of a logical way to state your opinions or to back them up without resorting to petty name-calling, then you should be banned.  Period How many more times??? I badmouth a band and get slated-if I dont respond then the antipathy doesnt continue,but the buggers will do it again.I am pretty sure that Snow Dog will not dip his toes in the waters of controversy again.......si I am sparing someone else a slating. As for the being banned? Who made you the arbiter of taste?

What controversy? Your reasons for hating DT were just plain silly! A feeble attempt at humour which was insulting to Dt fans! To many music is a personal and precious thing.

antisilence wrote: JESUS CHRIST!!!!Quote over quote over quote!!GUYS....i think every band big or small has its own strengths and weaknesses that they capitalise upon....DT plays "oh so fast",petrucci`s work is tedious at times but has a lot of charecter...myung and portnoy are probably near the top at their instruments...rudess is good and labrie sucks

The first bit is what I was saying, but even restricting the field to metal Mying isn't really near the top of his field -  give most bands with Steve diGiorgio in a listen (not really Iced Earth, but all the fusion metal he's done is insane). Then there's the Spiral Architect and Watchtower bass parts. I'm talking mainly here about the bass players that widdle about, because that's what Myung's more famous for.