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Posted: July 04 2006 at 02:44

Rocktopus wrote:

The Dream Theater sound is all about comformity and following a recipies with no real space for genuine progression. When a metal band in that vein is considered progressive, its always because they've been stealing some old tricks from Yes or Rush etc... (some would say from Spocks Beard or Flower Kings, but they are copycats themselves) .Thats regressive.

If you think that it's regressive, go ahead and write a review and give them a bad rating. It doesn't change that it's Prog.

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Music that really pushes boundries and doesn't stick to any given rules, can't fit in a subgenre that is so specialized as prog-metal.

That's ridiculous ... Prog Metal is the most broad sub genre in the archives.

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Modern progressive groups like Secret Chiefs 3 with their orchestral soundtracks, folk and ethnic/Indian percussion and melodies, cabaret music, avant-garde experiments, electronica and extreme-metal is also called prog-metal here. Very misleading.

Thank you for proving my point above, and for agreeing that prog metal should be divided into sub categories just like Prog Rock is.

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New prog doesn't need to be hard dark or aggressive. Check out the rising american folk-prog scene with Faun Fables, Sufjan Stevens (when will he be added?)

Apparently few people know these artists. Suggest them to the teams that are responsible for those genres - don't accuse the PM team, we can't be held responsible for non-metal additions.

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And undoubtly Stereolab, Tortoise and Radiohead are doing more daring original stuff, than metal with keyboard bands like Symphony X, Psychotic Waltz or Kamelot.

Prog isn't about originality. Even if they suck (or you think they do), they deserve to be listed here ... if only to receive bad ratings. The fact that they don't only further strengthens the case for their inclusion.

BTW: Those people who accuse a band like Symphony X to be just "metal with keyboards" have undoubtedly never listened to such bands, or are listening on such a shallow level that they can't hear a difference, or aren't thinking much about what they're saying anyway.

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I grew up with complex thrash and death-metal as a teenager, and still love plenty of bands in that genre a lot. But I have no urge to try and get them incuded in the archives. Simply because they don't belong here.

Why are they bothering you so much? Only because you think that they don't belong here, you want them removed from the archives ... what about the people who do think they belong here, which there are plenty of?

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BTW:Still can't believe the childish, pompous goth of Nightwish and Lacrimosa are here, and not progfolk pioneers Incredible String Band. The focus must clearly be wrong.

Those two bands were added before the PM team was installed ... they would not have been accepted. Think about that ...

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 03:12

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Those two bands were added before the PM team was installed ... they would not have been accepted. Think about that ...

I have a question Mike as I'm not familar with the politics at work. Will these bands now be revaluated by the Prog-Metal team to see if they deserve acceptence? I agree that they shouldn't be here, not that my opinion matters, but the prog-metal team also agrees, so why should they be here.

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 03:17

It's annoying me that so many people think prog metal is "metal with keyboards". This is such an ill-judged comment to make.

Yes, Opeth, Riverside and Pain of Salvation do happen to use keyboards, but they're not the main part of their sound and the keyboard elements do not necessarily make the prog elements of these bands.

I'm still investigating the prog metal genre as a whole, but I am pretty sure there are prog metal bands in the archives who don't have any keyboards at all and are equally (or even moreso) proggy than even some prog rock bands.

Also, there is a general consensus that prog metal bands are technical and their instrumentalists are virtuoso performers. Again, this is an incorrect statement.

Pain of Salvation are a technical and often virtuoistic band, yes, but their compositions do not sound over the top at all. Infact, I'd say PoS were closer to Rock than Metal on a lot of tracks, they're a very cross-genre specific band and fully deserve the credit they have and also fully deserve their inclusion in PA.

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 03:19

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MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Those two bands were added before the PM team was installed ... they would not have been accepted. Think about that ...

As far as I am aware, once a band has been added to the archives, they're here to stay. I don't particularly like the idea, but I presume it's for semantics.

Peoples' reviews for the above bands will be deleted and I don't think that's necessarily a good idea to delete peoples' hard work and effort.

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 03:26

Quote: That's why there is barely any precedent for the genre. Progressive Metal still hasn't really hit it's peak. There is still so much innovation coming out of this genre. That's why it is so hard to categorize.
Well, I do actually think, that Progressive Metal has reached it peek more then 10 years ago (like I said), at least in things of popularity and record sales. Or do you think DREAM THEATER ("Pull Me Under"), FATES WARNING ("Eye To Eye") or QUEENSRYCHE ("Silent Lucidity") will one day come around with another video single, that will top the charts. Wink

Well, and the newer bands in my very own opinion don't have the commercial edge in their music to be that big, apart from TOOL, of course, but they have a Rock and not a Metal edge in their music, if you ask me.

Talking about strange additions in the list of Progressive Metal groups, here is a list of which confused me:
THE THIRD AND THE MORTAL
ADRAMELCH
ANACRUSIS
ANATHEMA
ANGRA
ARCTURUS
ATHEIST
BORKNAGAR
CRIMSON GLORY
CYNIC
DEATH
THE DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN
DYSRHYTHMIA
EDGE OF SANITY
EPHEL DUATH
EVERGREY
THE GATHERING
GOJIRA
JON OLIVA'S PAIN
LABYRINTH
MEKONG DELTA
NIGHTWISH
NOVEMBRE
OPETH
ORPHANED LAND
QUO VADIS
RHAPSODY
ROYAL HUNT
SAVATAGE
SAVIOUR MACHINE
SIGH
TAD MOROSE
THERION

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 03:27

Geck0 wrote:

Equality 7-2521 wrote:

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Those two bands were added before the PM team was installed ... they would not have been accepted. Think about that ...

I don't like the idea of deleting people's reviews but why carve a mistake into stone? Obviously the removal of a band shouldn't be whimsical, but if there was a thorough, difficult to achieve process to do so...

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 03:31

Indeed. As far as I am aware, not a single band has been removed yet and I don't believe they will, unless the admin have a change of heart.

Orion: There is no question about Opeth being progressive and you'd be hard pushed to find someone who doesn't think they are (except for those prog metal haters!). I've not heard the others yet, so I can hold judgement.

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 03:36

Orion-GER wrote:

Talking about strange additions in the list of Progressive Metal groups, here is a list of which confused me:
THE THIRD AND THE MORTAL
ADRAMELCH
ANACRUSIS
ANATHEMA
ANGRA
ARCTURUS
ATHEIST
BORKNAGAR
CRIMSON GLORY
CYNIC
DEATH
THE DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN
DYSRHYTHMIA
EDGE OF SANITY
EPHEL DUATH
EVERGREY
THE GATHERING
GOJIRA
JON OLIVA'S PAIN
LABYRINTH
MEKONG DELTA
NIGHTWISH
NOVEMBRE
OPETH
ORPHANED LAND
QUO VADIS
RHAPSODY
ROYAL HUNT
SAVATAGE
SAVIOUR MACHINE
SIGH
TAD MOROSE
THERION

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 03:49

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Hey cool yourself Mike, it's me Iván, not your enemy, don't be so touchy.

I always thought that a Prog sub-genre was mainly Prog Rock with another influence, if it's classical, we consider it Symphonic (in most cases) if it's folk we call it Prog Folk, etc. But seems in Prog Metal doesn't work like this.

No it doesn't, because Prog Metal is not really a Prog Rock sub genre. It has been explained a million times ...

If Prog Metal is not a sub genre of Prog then it shouldn't be here unless we change the name to Prog and Prog Metal Archives.

But I honestly believe it's a sub-genre, every major Progressive Rock site considers Prog Metal a sub-genre of Prog, so this is new for me.

There are some 99% Metal bands with a couple of keyboard solos, then inmediately are added to Prog Metal, in this case the Metal component is far more important for some members than the Progressive Rock element.

You can also say "The Prog Metal team is a bunch of morons", that's just as insulting.

Again you're wrong Mike, you have told me more than once that My team and I are moving some bands you believe are Symphonic, and I don't consider that an offence, double checked them because I value every opinion, but seems you want everybody just to say AMEN..

As I said we have given steps back because we're just humans and humans can faill.

Take Jethro Tull in Folk Prog, yes, there are some folk leanings, but the rock and even Symphonic components are at least as important, Renaissance is added oin Folk (I believe) but could also be added in Symphonic, on the other hand in the case of some Death Metal bands the Prog compoinent is so small that only the people who add the are aware of it.

Examples? Most of the Death Metal bands which are in the archives are also considered to be progressive on many other important websites. Again, accusing the PM team to let in non-prog bands is insulting.

The most incredible thing is that this Prog Metal bands are simultaneously part of a sub-genre in Prog sites and a Metal sub-genre in metal sites, to the point that both genres are loosing their personality.

Is this really so difficult to understand? Some Prog Rock bands are also discussed on rock websites, is that also "incredible"? Prog Metal = Prog + Metal, Prog Rock = Prog + Rock, it's really quite simple.

Because Prog is part of Rock and I suposed Prog Metal was a sub-genre of Progressive Rock, but seems you believe it's a parallel entity.

In the case of Symphonic our team before changing or adding a band post each and every possible change to recieve feedback from the other Collaborators, in some cases we have given a step back (Neal Morse and Manticore Sweden) in others we insisted in the changes.

IMO additions should be decided by the team without asking for feedback ... otherwise what do we have a team for? The initial motivation for creating genre teams was to speed up the addition process.

BUT........have you read the next section? I said I believe this system wouldn't work in Prog Metal.

In some cases our decisions are questioned or polls started , but this doesn't happen in Prog Metal, bands are added without asking anybody.

Yes, and with the approval of the admins and owners of the site. BTW: bands which are cleared for addition aren't added right away ... there's plenty of time for all of you to look at the chart and to object. If you feel that the PM team is wrong, nobody is keeping you from starting a poll about the band to see what the community thinks about the addition.

First, we all have the approval of Adms and owners becaudse if they haven't kicked us is because they support our effort and value what we are doing, but some of us like to have feedback others don't, that's the personal choice.

But..........hey cool out, I have said nothing against Prog Metal as many other people have done and you're reacting as if I had insulted you.

But currently I don't get the impression that those who continually oppose PM are monitoring the chart, nor are they interested in discussing these additions. As long as they don't speak their minds (specifically, about a band or album) the only reasonable thing to do is to ignore them and move on.

Do I continually oppose to PM team?
Have i ever said something bad about you and your team?
Haven't I asked you for advice a lot of times in MSN

It's also true that our system won't work in Prog Metal because most progheads don't know lets say 50 or 60% of the Prog Metal bands (A good part don't care at all) and if we listen them we're unable to understand it or even worst we won't pay a dime for one of their albums.

I don't understand what you're getting at ... are you saying that friends of PM are more criminal than others? Confused

We have some Viking Metal bands or Death Metal bands that are just that and considered Viking or Death by Metal sites

Not exactly. Give specific examples, and we can explain in detail why they're progressive, and we can back that up by quoting those resources you're referring to. Please keep in mind that especially in these sub genres the bands are progressing ... they may have started as a Viking Metal band but then became progressive, or the other way round. Don't complain about that in general, just think about Yes and Genesis.

Again if I say any name you will have explanations because you understand metal more than most of us, but please checkl every Prog site and find if even 60 or 70% of the prog Metal bands listed here are there.

Yes, you can backup everything probably but it won't make sense to me because I can't understand most Prog Metal despite how hard I try.

BTW: Prog doesn't start and end in Genesis and Yes for me, always tried to understand new bands and sub-genres.

I don't ask control for the Metal Team because I chated with most of the Prog Metal team members or read their posts and I'm certain they are honest people making what they really believe in.

Thanks - but you DO seem to think that they're not qualified to make the decisions.

Hey You seem paranoic, if I say something you're not comfortable you shout and if I just said that you and your team mates are honest and capable people but you also are upset.

I don't have absolutely any reason not to trust in their work, but I would ask them for a bit more of discression, if they have a doubt, don't add the band, if just one member of the team doesn't believe the band should be added, take some time and place it in the waiting list and consult the Collaborators, maybe some of us has listened them.

We do just that. Have a look at the cleared list ... most of these bands with one or two "no" votes have been discussed in detail. Currently only bands with 5 (!) "yes" votes are cleared without discussion.

If you don't want any suggestion, just say it, I was gib¿ving a calmed suggestion and it was enough for you to answer you already did that.

IMHO we have too many pseudo Prog Metal bands already and this site is loosing identity, if things follow at this rate, Prog Metal will be a parallel entity to Progresive Rock with many sub-genres and probably more bands than in all the Progressive Rock genres added.

Make a list of these pseudo Prog Metal bands ... I'm willing to bet that the better part of them are bands which were added before the Prog Metal Team even existed.

Well if you believe there are pseudo Prog Metal bands from before your time, yoiu could suggest to take them out as we did with a couple New Age bands.

But if you don't want any advice or suggestion, I will simply won't give them, I have too many other things to do, but still you and your team (Atlossofwords had a better reaction) are always welcomed to give your opinions in the Symphonic threads.

Iván

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 03:51

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Surel, OPETH are progressive, but WHILE HEAVEN WEPT are also a progressive Doom band, and they surely shouldn't be added here Wink

. I mean, DEATH are a progressive Death Metal band, they have nothing to do with FATES WARNING and all the others originators of the genre Progressive Metal, what should at least make you think. They gave their music a simply a progressive touch, it's still Death Metal, what no fan of that genre will ever doubt. I mean, if any Death Metal band could be added because it has a slightly progressive touch, than I could give you dozens of new names to add...

BTW: Constructive reasoning:
THE THIRD AND THE MORTAL (Gothic or Doom Metal)
ADRAMELCH (Somewhat Metal)
ANACRUSIS (Thrash Metal)
ANATHEMA (Gothic or Doom Metal)
ANGRA (Power Metal)
ARCTURUS (Somewhat Metal)
ATHEIST (Death Metal)
BORKNAGAR (Black Metal)
CRIMSON GLORY (Power Metal)
CYNIC (Death Metal)
DEATH (Death Metal)
THE DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN (Math Rock)
DYSRHYTHMIA (Math Rock, Jazzcore, whatever...)
EDGE OF SANITY (Death Metal)
EPHEL DUATH (Somewhat Metal)
EVERGREY (Power Metal)
THE GATHERING (Gothic Metal)
GOJIRA (Somewhat Metal)
JON OLIVA'S PAIN (Power Metal)
LABYRINTH (Power Metal)
MEKONG DELTA (Thrash Metal)
NIGHTWISH (Symphonic Metal)
NOVEMBRE (Gothic Metal)
OPETH (Somewhat Metal)
ORPHANED LAND (...)
QUO VADIS (Death Metal)
RHAPSODY (Power Metal)
ROYAL HUNT (...)
SAVATAGE (Power Metal)
SAVIOUR MACHINE (Gothic Metal)
SIGH (Somewhat Metal)
TAD MOROSE (Power Metal)
THERION (Symphonic Metal)

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 04:01

That's a ridicolously superficial approach to categorisation! Most of these bands have been miscategorised by yourself(explain how Cynic are just Death Metal? Borknagar can only be called BM on their debut, everything else is as progressive as it gets. The Gathering are not a Gothic Metal band, and neither are Novembre. Anathema's early stuff was Doom, and their later Pink Floyd and Radiohead influenced stuff is what deserves them an addition in the archives. I could go one for others, but I shall not continue).

And even if a band is a part of either Death, Black, Doom or whatever scene, that doesn't mean they can not be considered progressive.

And what kind of category is 'Somewhat Metal'? If Opeth, Sigh and Arcturus are 'Somewhat Metal', which according to you has nothing to do with Prog, then explain me what 'Somewhat Metal' actually means.

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 04:06

Somewhat metal means prog metal! That's my take on things.

He cannot decide what metal is, so he applies the "somewhat" tag to try and convince himself they aren't prog.

I notice he queries a lot of bands that have a black/death/doom metal origin. He doesn't seem to query PoS, Tool or DT.

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 04:09

Orion-GER wrote:

They gave their music a simply a progressive touch

isn't that the point?

I mean, that's what makes it progressive right? :\

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 04:13

So, Orion, while we're at it, list some Death Metal bands that you believe are just as worthy of addition at this site, as say, Cynic. Just for example.

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 04:17

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MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Those two bands were added before the PM team was installed ... they would not have been accepted. Think about that ...

Bands that are in the archives and have many reviews will not be removed. The only thing we *could* do is to move them to Prog Related, but only if most collabs and the site owners agree.

But Nightwish are considered to be a prog metal band on other websites too, so while I personally think that they're quite bland and not very progressive, including them is not an odd thing to do. As I said above, you can submit a bad review if you think they don't deserve to be here.

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 04:19

I haven't really read much of the other posts in this thread, but I fully agree with the threadstarter.

I, myself am into prog metal, and I have been since before I got into the finer genres that prog metal is derivative of, but that's probably because it's my generations most easily accessible source of prog. I don't like to talk about prog metal artists on here because I don't feel like this is the rightful place for that sort of thing.

If this hasn't been mentioned already:

http://www.last.fm/group/ProgArchives

I also post on the Megadeth and Opeth forums and they probably have as much topics on Dream Theater and Tool as there are on here. I actually came to Prog Archives to get into some new music not to obsess over Prog Metal artists I already know about.

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 04:54

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Hey cool yourself Mike, it's me Iván, not your enemy, don't be so touchy.

I'm not touchy, I'm commenting on the statements.

If Prog Metal is not a sub genre of Prog then it shouldn't be here unless we change the name to Prog and Prog Metal Archives.
That's poor logic ... I thought you were an intelligent man, why do you resort to such lowest of rethorical means?

But I honestly believe it's a sub-genre, every major Progressive Rock site considers Prog Metal a sub-genre of Prog, so this is new for me.
*sigh* ... I won't talk about this with you unless you're willing to be *precise*. Neither do I want to post my chart once again, which shows how a genre can both be not a direct sub genre of Rock and at the same time be so closely related to it that it deserves to be listed here.

I'm just saying that we (the team) listen to everybody's opinion - you don't need to agree - but preserve the right to decide otherwise if we feel that it makes sense.

As I said we have given steps back because we're just humans and humans can faill.
Certainly I'm not saying that the PM team is infallible ... but I AM saying that we know more about metal than - for example - you. We listen to metal every day, we read metal magazines (at least I do), we go to metal related websites and read the reviews ... someone who doesn't do that cannot question the authority of the team. If someone feels that entire PM sub-genres shouldn't be here (Death/Thrash/Black) then that person should take that to the admin team, or the owners. If they say "we embrace these genres" then that (hypothetical) person should kindly let it go and instead focus on the genres that he/she prefers.

Honestly, a good number of Prog Metal bands sounds to me as pure Metal, take Queensryche for example for me is too commercial, lots or Norwegian bands don't remind me of Prog at all, but I won't fall in deep analysis one by one because you know much more about metal and you seem to enjoy proving that.
It's far more complicated ... a lot of factors weigh in, not just the question of how progressive I think they are. Maybe I'll add a list of these factors to the chart page ... I'm growing weary of posting them each week in another one of these threads.

Because Prog is part of Rock and I suposed Prog Metal was a sub-genre of Progressive Rock, but seems you believe it's a parallel entity.
Ok, I'll post the chart on my website. But in the interest of keeping it simple: Do you really think that Metal is not related to Rock? I don't hope so. And if you accept that the genres are related, then so are Prog Rock and Prog Metal.

In the case of Symphonic our team before changing or adding a band post each and every possible change to recieve feedback from the other Collaborators, in some cases we have given a step back (Neal Morse and Manticore Sweden) in others we insisted in the changes.

IMO additions should be decided by the team without asking for feedback ... otherwise what do we have a team for? The initial motivation for creating genre teams was to speed up the addition process.

I do believe eevrybody should ask for feedback unless we believe we're almighty and incapable of mistake, I learned more with the opinions of people giving feedback and I respect everything they have to say,
We ARE listening to any feedback that comes our way. Unfortunately most people only complain AFTER a band has been added. The least we can expect from people is to monitor the chart - if they're interested in prog metal additions.

BTW: You have also given opinions in the Symphonic threads and I thanked each and every one.

BUT........have you read the next section? I said I believe this system wouldn't work in Prog Metal.

In some cases our decisions are questioned or polls started , but this doesn't happen in Prog Metal, bands are added without asking anybody.

But..........hey cool out, I have said nothing against Prog Metal as many other people have done and you're reacting as if I had insulted you.
I don't feel personally insulted ... I am only replying to the statements you make.

But currently I don't get the impression that those who continually oppose PM are monitoring the chart, nor are they interested in discussing these additions. As long as they don't speak their minds (specifically, about a band or album) the only reasonable thing to do is to ignore them and move on.

Do I continually oppose to PM team?

Have i ever said something bad about you and your team?

Haven't I asked you for advice a lot of times in MSN

I was not referring to you with the above statement, but to all those people who are using threads like this one to complain about prog metal. I know that you are tolerating the team, I don't have any problem with you. I also appreciate your feedback, although I can't agree with some of the statements.

No, I'm only saying that most older Progheads and fans of other sub-genres don't understand Prog Metal and for that reason won't buy most of the albums listed in that Sub-genre (Unless you found another name than sub-genre).
Well, then why not just ignore it? Again I'm not referring to you, but to all people who don't like PM but continually interfere with the PM team. I don't like Krautrock, but I don't invade Krautrock threads saying "it's overrated anyway".

Yes, you can backup everything probably but it won't make sense to me because I can't understand most Prog Metal despite how hard I try.

Some people don't understand RIO or Post Rock. If we only kept bands which everybody understands, I submit that the archives would be EMPTY.

BTW: Prog doesn't start and end in Genesis and Yes for me, always tried to understand new bands and sub-genres.

There are Prog Metal bands...of course, buyt still I believe there's a lot of plain metal (You have already admitted two bands if I'm not wrong), even if it's from before of your time you can suggest to retire them.
"Bands which are already here and have reviews won't be removed". That's a rule which wasn't established by me, but by the site owners. Unless they decide to change it, there's not much point to talking about removing bands like Nightwish.

Hey You seem paranoic, if I say something you're not comfortable you shout and if I just said that you and your team mates are honest and capable people but you also are upset.
I'm not upset ... and you started the shouting (bold letters). Wink But you have to admit that if you say "There are some 99% Metal bands with a couple of keyboard solos, then inmediately are added to Prog Metal" you are questioning the competence of the team, and you cannot undo that by stating a few paragraphs later that you trust the team. It's got to be one way or the other!

If you don't want any suggestion, just say it, I was gib¿ving a calmed suggestion and it was enough for you to answer you already did that.
I thought that my response was also quite calm - I was just explaining a rule of our team which I established in the last few weeks.

Well if you believe there are pseudo Prog Metal bands from before your time, yoiu could suggest to take them out as we did with a couple New Age bands.

Picking up the example of Nightwish again: Removing them would lead to many complaints, and would make the archives less complete ... go to progressiveworld.net and see, they're listing them and even giving them good ratings.

Honestly, most of them sound as Metal to me and seems I'm not alone, but it's your call, read all my posts talking about your work, never said anything negative, but seems that other person's attacks have made you angry and I have to pay the bill.

You're not "paying the bill" ... your initial post just contained many of the points that I don't agree with, so my response partially became a platform for general discussion of sorts.

Iván

Sorry if you got the wrong impression ... your feedback is always welcome.

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 05:31

Funny that I noticed this just today, when seeing that most of the latest album reviews on this site was of metal albums.

Both metal and prog is more than just one genre. It seems anything can be prog as long it's complex and musically innovative and anything can be metal as long it's heavy.
It also seems that many prog and metal acts have the same aims. Mainstream media would call it pompous and pretentious.

Prog metal may rule right now but I don't know how prog it is. For me, the future of prog rock is the post-rock scene (some kind of indie prog rock).

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 05:35

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Teaflax wrote:

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I will not go there ... it's no good. But I find it interesting how you're trying to turn this thread into a SB/AOR discussion.

If
you don't see the correlation, you're just sticking your head in the
sand. Without the genre having been moved closer to mainstream/Rock tonalities and
harmonies, this would never have become an issue. The Beard paved the path that Symphony X walked in on.

Progressive Power Metal reaches back into the 80s with Crimson Glory, who recorded their masterpiece "Transcendence" in 1988.Sorry, but if there's one band that paved the way for simplistic music to be accepted in the archives, then it's:Marillion

Predictably I couldn't agree more with that

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Posted: July 04 2006 at 05:40

Frasse wrote:

Funny that I noticed this just today, when seeing that most of the latest album reviews on this site was of metal albums.

Well, they are pretty much all posted by two people, who just happen to be inspired by Metal these days, I think it's a coincidence. Watch over the site and the situation will change to the opposite.

-- Ivan

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