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^ Aye-aye. Approve

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Yep, `The Final Cut' is a great album! I know it's sort of Water's baby, but damn, everytime Gilmour plays on that album, it just crackles with life and energy! Mason is rock-solid on it, and Water's vocals never sounded so confident.

It's the sort of album that a lot of casual Floyd fans don't have much time for, but for anyone who is patient enough and appreciates how varied the band's catalogue is, `Final Cut' is an essential album.

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I broke down and bought TFC a few years ago.  I think I've listened to it twice.
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If it wasn't branded "Pink Floyd" it would have had a better rating I suppose. I agree that it's probably the worst PF album, but compared to all the other releases of the same period it can stay in the top 10 of the year
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TFC - Beautifully produced album, immaculate
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^ not sure what you mean here: a sow in a cocktail gown is hardly a gentleman's excuse me is it? (I mean do you actually like the content?)
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QUOTE=ExittheLemming]^ not sure what you mean here: a sow in a cocktail gown is hardly a gentleman's excuse me is it? (I mean do you actually like the content?) [/QUOTE]

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^ I just mean apart from the merits of the production, does he rate any of the music?
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The Final Cut has some fantastic lyrics. "Paranoid Eyes" really nails a human condition that I can really relate to personally.  Musically, I think TFC has a few really solid numbers -- "The Gunner's Dream", "Paranoid Eyes", and "Two Suns in the Sunset" being the best.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

ELP - Black Moon . I loved that when it came out and thoroughly enjoyed hearing those tracks live. But after a few years I drifted back to listening Trilogy,Tarkus etc. Black Moon is so different in style to those albums its virtually a different band. Stylistically Carl Palmer was as far away from his revolutionary percussive style exhibited on Tarkus as he ever got while Lake had turned into a blues singer. Keith was just about recognisable thanks to Paper Blood (great to hear the Hammond organ). I havn't listened to Black Moon in years tbh.
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Case in point. really not a bad album. Just being forced upon the whims of Atlantic Records. They never toured on the album but if you have ever seen Carl live he always plays Canario. But yeah when it came out we thought have ELP gone Bee Gees ? Well they were still in their cocaine days and had loads of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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I’d say I typically listen to neither the dark or light (more popular) sides very often, but some dawn or dusk in between. 
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oh wow I might have found the topic for me. first off, 'dark side of the discography' is a great term i might steal.  second, i am a huge fan of the dark sides.  Mike Oldfield is one of my favorite prog musicians and the dark side of his doscography contains most of my favorite of his releases (Amarok and any of his experiments in making pop music).  Same with Genesis to an extent, my favorite of their albums is Duke which is when they definitely were entering the dark side.  Hell I even prefer 80's king crimson to 60's and 70's King Crimson.  Now I'll be leaving before the lynchmobs arrive.
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before the lynch mob comes i guess i should say Drama is actually a good album.  Tempus Fugit and Run Through The Light are very cool songs and Machine Messiah suffers from a slightly overloaded arrangement but is a fun track as well.
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Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Yep, `The Final Cut' is a great album! I know it's sort of Water's baby, but damn, everytime Gilmour plays on that album, it just crackles with life and energy! Mason is rock-solid on it, and Water's vocals never sounded so confident.

It's the sort of album that a lot of casual Floyd fans don't have much time for, but for anyone who is patient enough and appreciates how varied the band's catalogue is, `Final Cut' is an essential album.
 
With the exception of one or two cuts, the whole album was a part of the original "The Wall", which was cut down severely so that it would fit 2 LP's ... or about 80 to 85 minutes, and they had over 100 minutes! And some of the detail and story parts in "The Final Cut" fits really well in teh conceptual beginning of the story in "The Wall" where the few parts dealing with the war, were taken out ... (except the cartoons later) ... to keep the story centered on one person, and not the outside of the person ... but it would have helped connect Blu Sky and a kid seeing bombs falling from the sky!
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No Richard Wright = no Pink Floyd. 
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Originally posted by Big Ears Big Ears wrote:

No Richard Wright = no Pink Floyd. 
I quite agree, but I wouldn't put The Final Cut and Momentary Leapse of Reason in the trash. There was already so much trash in the 80s that compared to what was around they are two masterpieces.
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Points: 831 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2013 at 13:34
I would just put Final Cut in the "Rogers Waters" bin. AMLOR is going in the trash where it belongs though, sorry
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Big Ears Big Ears wrote:

No Richard Wright = no Pink Floyd. 
I quite agree, but I wouldn't put The Final Cut and Momentary Leapse of Reason in the trash. There was already so much trash in the 80s that compared to what was around they are two masterpieces.

 
I'm not sure that is fair. You are basically saying that Beethoven has to be the Beethoven that you want for ALL of his work. Or Bach. Or Stravinsky! Or Beatles ... or some chtupa band out there!
 
You might not like the album, but because you don't like it, does not make it a valuable addition to their catalogue and amount of work that those folks did ... and I find that unfair.
 
Pink Floyd gave us, A LOT MORE, than anyone has a right to do ... for us to love and enjoy ... and yet, we have to find one _____ng dirty dish to blow at their face, Roger's or Dick's or John's is not important. So you don't like Hamlet, and prefer Much Doggy Do About Nothing, because it is not as gory ... bur for crying out loud, it's still Shakespeare!
 
There is no "dark side" ... it is what it is, and WHO that entity/person is ... and why is anyone NEGATING your right, or my right or anyone's right, to do what they feel they have to do and see fit?
 
Sadly, these kinds of posts are getting worse than the drivel that was passed around in the old days of the Socialist/Dictatorship that was Portugal and Spain ... you got to see how bad it all sounds ... the minute you kill the "artist", your culture will die! AND SOON! If you don't believe me, you can search out the movie reviews that my dad had that were "censored" by the government, and the movies ... that were cut up, because some reviewers (dad included) mentioned a scene or moment. See the movie "Cinema Paradiso" so you can see a bit of it all!
 
Stop the censorship! Loud or not!
 
Please make room for the artist and his/her words!


Edited by moshkito - January 28 2013 at 12:34
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