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Posted: February 11 2013 at 01:58
KingCrInuYasha wrote:
Too Old To Rock 'N' Roll: Too Young To Die! by Jethro Tull. Just as much of a masterpiece as Minstrel In The Gallery, Songs From The Wood, and Heavy Horses, yet not thought of as well.
Same here.
Too Old To Rock 'N' Roll: Too young To Die the album, in its entirety, is really a masterpiece, and one of the best albums by Jethro Tull.
Also, I love Going for the One by Yes as much as Close to the Edge and Relayer, and I think that Abacab is probably the best album in that post Gabriel era Genesis' catalogue; same thing with Shamal by Gong.
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Posted: February 11 2013 at 02:02
Svetonio wrote:
KingCrInuYasha wrote:
Too Old To Rock 'N' Roll: Too Young To Die! by Jethro Tull. Just as much of a masterpiece as Minstrel In The Gallery, Songs From The Wood, and Heavy Horses, yet not thought of as well.
Same here.
Too Old To Rock 'N' Roll: Too young To Die the album, in its entirety, is really a masterpiece, and one of the best albums by Jethro Tull.
I second this. It's my favorite Tull album together with Aqualung
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Posted: February 11 2013 at 02:07
Agree on Too old to rock'n'roll.
But funny enough, have got two diffrent CD's, but both are not the best of sounds, very low "compressed" volumes, vinyl much better, strange ?
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Posted: February 11 2013 at 02:34
octopus-4 wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
KingCrInuYasha wrote:
Too Old To Rock 'N' Roll: Too Young To Die! by Jethro Tull. Just as much of a masterpiece as Minstrel In The Gallery, Songs From The Wood, and Heavy Horses, yet not thought of as well.
Same here.
Too Old To Rock 'N' Roll: Too young To Die the album, in its entirety, is really a masterpiece, and one of the best albums by Jethro Tull.
I second this. It's my favorite Tull album together with Aqualung
3 of my 5 fav songs by JT are coming from Too Old ...
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Posted: February 11 2013 at 11:51
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... discography in some cases and to call any attempts to characterize it as censorship would be paranoid. Let's face it, there are artists who sold out or who simply ran out of creative juice for a phase...nothing disrespectful about identifying those.
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It wasn't meant that way ... the fact is that we do not feel that a lot of this music will have any affect on the history of music at all ... in fact, including all these posts, we do not believe it at all, except for one or two goons!
I, for one, believe, that all the "electric" stuff, IS the history of music for the 2nd half of the 20th Century and at least the first half of the 21st Century ... it IS ... just about ALL the music that people are seeing these days ... with an occasional "unplugged" somewhere ... but look at the "classic music concerts" in most campus' these days ... not even selling out and only a handful of those folks can you even name today! ... think about it! That will have a massive influence in the history of music, even if a section is considered "popular music", or "popular idioms" ... but if that happens, the likes of "progressive" music loses out ... because some of the compositional values, of a lot of the music we love is considerably better developed musically, that a vast majority of classical music of the last 1000 years!
Either that, or we are real slaves to avertising and not intelligent enough to hear anything else except the grub that we are fed!
That is NOT very "progressive" at all, and you might want to check out the theme and the ideas behind the words in just about "everything" that we consider "progressive" at the start, and how much we love them!
I would never blame Genesis for all of a sudden selling a million albums, when they struggled for 6 or 7 years to buy food, a house for their children or even a decent meal! I would have said ... "it's about time!".
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... discography in some cases and to call any attempts to characterize it as censorship would be paranoid. Let's face it, there are artists who sold out or who simply ran out of creative juice for a phase...nothing disrespectful about identifying those.
...
It wasn't meant that way ... the fact is that we do not feel that a lot of this music will have any affect on the history of music at all ... in fact, including all these posts, we do not believe it at all, except for one or two goons!
I, for one, believe, that all the "electric" stuff, IS the history of music for the 2nd half of the 20th Century and at least the first half of the 21st Century ... it IS ... just about ALL the music that people are seeing these days ... with an occasional "unplugged" somewhere ... but look at the "classic music concerts" in most campus' these days ... not even selling out and only a handful of those folks can you even name today! ... think about it! That will have a massive influence in the history of music, even if a section is considered "popular music", or "popular idioms" ... but if that happens, the likes of "progressive" music loses out ... because some of the compositional values, of a lot of the music we love is considerably better developed musically, that a vast majority of classical music of the last 1000 years!
Either that, or we are real slaves to avertising and not intelligent enough to hear anything else except the grub that we are fed!
That is NOT very "progressive" at all, and you might want to check out the theme and the ideas behind the words in just about "everything" that we consider "progressive" at the start, and how much we love them!
I would never blame Genesis for all of a sudden selling a million albums, when they struggled for 6 or 7 years to buy food, a house for their children or even a decent meal! I would have said ... "it's about time!".
Genesis are not a good example here , Genesis trio of Banks, Rutherford and Gabriel went to a public school and lived in fookin mansions with swimming pools (and with mile long drives....)....since when did they struggle to buy food???
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Posted: February 13 2013 at 08:46
M27Barney wrote:
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Genesis are not a good example here , Genesis trio of Banks, Rutherford and Gabriel went to a public school and lived in fookin mansions with swimming pools (and with mile long drives....)....since when did they struggle to buy food???
It doesn't matter ... even Pink Floyd got lucky ... and so did many others ... so not having to work as hard, or studying a bit more, or working to make it more important ... was no longer an issue ... you didn't need the money anymore!
Reminds me of Robert Fripp having to say ... that doing King Crimson ... helps pay the bills! ... the sad side being that it eats away at him like a cancer ... and only made him more and more bitter and took him further away from us ... because we are so damn greedy and such an incredible group of vampires that would rather suck a life into death than we would in appreciating a person, and his complete list of works!
I guess that Beethoven's Bagatelles, don't count as music, and is the dark side of his discography! ... and Mozart had more bagatelles than anyone else!
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Of the late/early Floyd - Dark side.... is definately the worst album , WYWH and Animals and meddle are all FAR superior in my opinion.....Genesis went nowhere after W&W just as Rush went nowhere after MP......But I suppose youre either with me on this or agin me.....
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Posted: February 15 2013 at 21:51
moshkito wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
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Genesis are not a good example here , Genesis trio of Banks, Rutherford and Gabriel went to a public school and lived in fookin mansions with swimming pools (and with mile long drives....)....since when did they struggle to buy food???
It doesn't matter ... even Pink Floyd got lucky ... and so did many others ... so not having to work as hard, or studying a bit more, or working to make it more important ... was no longer an issue ... you didn't need the money anymore!
Reminds me of Robert Fripp having to say ... that doing King Crimson ... helps pay the bills! ... the sad side being that it eats away at him like a cancer ... and only made him more and more bitter and took him further away from us ... because we are so damn greedy and such an incredible group of vampires that would rather suck a life into death than we would in appreciating a person, and his complete list of works!
I guess that Beethoven's Bagatelles, don't count as music, and is the dark side of his discography! ... and Mozart had more bagatelles than anyone else!
I've never considered Genesis sellouts just for making pop albums anyway. They always had a bit of pop music in their approach and once they lost Gabriel and Hackett, they ran out of options. On the other hand, other bands like Renaissance did admit to believing they needed to emulate the commercial success of a hit single or album (in this case Northern Lights) and that's what I call selling out. And I don't condemn that choice either because it's not for me to, but that would mean that the bands were not true to themselves which tends to reflect on their work (and could be legitimately classified as the dark side of their discography). In KC's case, it's more about the name King Crimson than anything else. It doesn't even matter if anybody other than Fripp continues in the lineup and whether the work bears any resemblance to what they did before. I could understand that he would resent having to work more in the collaborative set up of a band than pursue a solo career but I am not sure he was under pressure to make pop music at any point of time.
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Posted: February 15 2013 at 22:34
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Had the album been shorter and gone something like this, it could have been a good album:
1. No Son of Mine
2. Jesus He Knows Me
3. Driving the Last Spike
4. Dreaming While You Sleep
5. On the Shoreline
6. Living Forever
7. Fading Lights
I love Genesis but
Fair enough. Not my favorite song either, but was trying to come up with at least 7 songs out of the 14 recorded during the sessions (at least enough to make a 45 minute album). I ran out of songs. Although, I'm not that offended by the song I Can't Dance, so perhaps that could replace Living Forever.
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