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Poll Question: Which of these bands is strongest for you in the 1990s?
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    Posted: July 14 2023 at 15:14
I did the 2010s up, and now is the 1990s. When considering each of these bands various releases from the 1990s, which of these bands that released its first studio album in the 1980s has been strongest for you? I'd be interested to hear about your particular favourite releases too (love reading the more detailed answers) as well as any thoughts you think pertinent or of interest.

Here are the studio albums from the 90s for each as well as a couple of the live albums from each.

Dream Theater studio:
- Images and Words (1992)
- Awake (1994)
- Falling Into Infinity (1997)
- Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From a Memory (1999)

Dream Theater lives:
- Live at The Marquee (1993)
- Once in a LiveTime (1998)

Marillion studio:
- Holidays in Eden (1991)
- Brave (1994)
- Afraid of Sunlight (1995)
- This Strange Engine (1997)
- Radiation (1998)
- marillion.com (1999)

Marillion lives:
- Made Again (1996)
- Unplugged at the Walls (1999)

Swans studio:
- White Light From the Mouth of Infinity (1991)
- Love of Life (1992)
- The Great Annihilator (1995)
- Soundtracks for the Blind (1996)

Swans lives:
- Omniscience (1992)
- Swans Are Dead (1998)

Dream Theater makes a much a stronger showing here than in the last poll -- probably generally thought as as its best decade.

Not surprisingly, I vote with Swans again. I have not listened to Love of Life as much as the other three albums, but I adore those others. And I still tend to think of Soundtracks for the Blind as Swans masterpiece, with Helpless Child as its central masterpiece. I also love those live. Omniscience is not one that is very well-known, is taken from its 1992 tour, and is out-of-print and never been re-issued. It's one of my very favourite Swans albums and I find it sad that such an album is out-of-print and has not been re-issued (at least it's on youtube). And it has fantastic version of the song "Love of Life" on it. I'd like to own that one with a signed copy on vinyl.

By the way, any of you get to see any of these bands in concert in the 90s, and if so, how was it?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2023 at 15:24
still Marillion
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2023 at 15:34
Marillion wins easily for me here by a Monstrously Festive(al) margin. Smile

 5 stars 2010: Marillion - Tumbling Down the Years - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEaBrUixkwNfLezOUEmDxRQa
 5 stars 2015: Marillion - A Monstrously Festive(al) Christmas - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEbNFSN-9oL2yNFevItRkdcQ
 5 stars 2018: Marillion - All One Tonight: Live at the Royal Albert Hall - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEakZ6mkRJZKBkFhmVLxmYej
 5 stars 2019: Marillion - With Friends from the Orchestra - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYmGh3DybrrqwWegtIEhBjD
 5 stars 2021: Marillion - With Friends at St. David's - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYisQxexxEup3kw66TB3AB8


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IncogNeato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2023 at 20:34
By the slightest margins, I'm going with DT mainly because 'Awake' is one of my favorite albums of all time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mathman0806 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2023 at 21:19
Soundtracks for the Blind may be my top album among the three artists for this decade, but I don't know the othe Swans' albums too well. Funny that I like the other Marillion studio albums for that over the highly regarded Brave. And those are among the better DT albums. I will go with Matillion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Necrotica Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2023 at 21:23
Ok, NOW I'm picking Dream Theater Smile Definitely my favorite decade of theirs
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2023 at 01:19
I can easily see why and how DT is doing better in this decade, but I think they are awful by default. And well, I don't even like Marillion when Fish was the vocalist. Much less so with that other guy. 

Three out of those four Swans studio albums are classics and White Light... was sort of lifechanging for me.
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Marillion, but I love all 3 of them! Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2023 at 03:03
Not much fan of Swans earlier output, although I like most of Soundtracks for the Blind. Of Dream Theater, two of my favourite albums of theirs are listed: Awake and Metropolis Pt. 2, and Images & Words is good too. Regarding Marillion, apart from the in my opinion mediocre Holidays in Eden, these are all enjoyable albums, although sometimes their mellowness becomes a bit too much for me on the long run. Their stand-out albums for me are Afraid of Sunlight and Marillion.com...
Marillion has the edge here.

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Don’t know Swans, but between DT and Marillion this is quite tough….but it’s DT, as I&W and SFAM are such strong albums v Brave, and the weaker DT albums are stronger than the weaker Marillion ones….
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I don't know any of these Marillion albums. Shocked
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Listened to DT a ton in the '90s, up till SFAM.
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Swans are on tour here in the UK in August. I must get to one of those gigs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2023 at 06:59
Doesn't seem fair to vote as I don't know Swans apart from their latest album. Marillion got a bit boring in the 90's but I like their recent 3 or so albums a lot. By default I vote for DT mainly for the just ok album Awake and the not previously mentioned EP A Change Of Seasons. The title track is the only thing I really love by them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2023 at 10:52
I don't mind if people vote without being familiar with all, as what is strongest "for you" can be so dependant on what you know. I do hope some people take some time to try to familiarise themselves with all a bit, at least, and maybe try to turn people onto music, or just educate them (Lewian mentioned not knowing Marillion for the period) -- even if one doesn't end up liking the music, I still find value in that sharing experience. Sharing is caring. ;) I've been rather surprised that Swans 90s output is not better known and appreciated by members of this community.

My three favourite Swans studio albums from the 90s are Soundtracks For the Blind, White Light From the Mouth of Infinity, and The Great Annihilator. While Swans Are Dead is commonly a particularly lauded live album by Swans, I love Omniscience (partially because it tends more to the gentle and delicate -- love that Gira and Jarboe mix).

Here are the first two tracks from Swans 90s albums that I really loved (Blind was on a solo Gira album, Michael Gira is the person behind Swans, and was not originally on White Light, but on later releases.





Such a fantastic band (or Gira project) in my opinion. My top seven studio Swans albums would be (in chronolologial order):

Children of God (1987)
White Light From the Mouth of Infinity (1991)
The Great Annihilator (1995)
Soundtracks for the Blind (1996)
The Seer (2012)
To Be Kind (2014)
The Glowing Man (2016)

And Omniscience from 1992 is my most listened to Swans live album (despite Swans never re-releasing it and it being long out-of-print. I'm the only here I have known to comment on it, so it may be just me here).

While I know many are reluctant to listen to music outside of the context of the albums, if others want to share some of their favourite tracks off albums by any here, and talk about their favourite albums, I would appreciate it and check out the music. I like for polls often to be interactive in that way, and that I and others discover, re-discover music, maybe deepen appreciation, and just get more of communal feel for each other's specific tastes. I do like threads often to act like listening rooms for a more communal and interactive experience.




Edited by Logan - July 16 2023 at 11:25
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2023 at 11:37
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I don't know any of these Marillion albums. Shocked


I have heard full albums by all here from the period (never more than once all the way through except for Swans), but I too am not that familiar with Marillion.

Since I chose Blind by Swans from a 1991 release (even if originally off a Gira "solo" album, hey Swans is Gira), I chose something by Marillion of an album from the same year of about the same length.



And I since I chose an almost 16 minute track from Soundtracks from 1996 (Marillion has not studio album release from that year), I chose the closest length Marillion track to it from an adjacent year, which is This Strange Engine.



Swans' The Sound might work as a better comparison than Helpless Child to This Strange Engine as I think both bands take some influence from Pink Floyd. Or maybe not.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog-jester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2023 at 18:41
love all three bands but this poll idea is bizarre (voted Dream Theater)
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