Kurt Cobain & "Red"

I've read that as well. I don't know if it was his all-time fav, but 'Red' was indeed one of his favorites.

When Michael Azzarad published his Nirvana book in the winter of '93, Cobain asked him not to include his 'CD top 50' in this book. Chances are the album was in this 'Top 50'.

In his dairies he had wrote some Playlists down, but I can't remember if King Crimson was included in those lists. I don't think it was. 

dropForge wrote: Cobain & KC should never be mentioned in the same sentence. The former is merely unworthy, and I'll leave it at that.

damn straight mate

Fripp and Crimson are gods.

Cobain was a talent-less wreck who foolishly ended his own life.

There is NO truth to the media-made myth that Cobain "saved rock". I'll take Warrant, Winger, Slaughter and New Kids On The Block over Blink 182, Sum 41, Linkin Park or Britney Spears any 8 days of the week.  

Nothing changed because of Nirvana or "Smells Like Teen Spirit". Mainstream music is as bad now as it's ever been. Despite the 10th anniversary hype, I don't think he's missed at all. "Flash in the pan" is the correct term I believe.

The only thing Cobain ever proved to his deluded legion of angst-ridden teenagers, was that he sucked at playing guitar. Those same kids in 1991-1994 should have been listening to Steve Howe and Steve Hackett unload their six strings.

Grunge is dead - prog is coming back...show no mercy to bad music.

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Guys, Guys.....

Different strokes, eh??

It is pointless to compare KC with Nirvana - that would be like comparing a well done sirloin to steak tartare; same basic ingredients, but prepared in a totally different way. This thread began with the premise that Cobain's favorite KC track was 'Red', not as a comparison of styles, lyrics, or relative talents.

I am not going to get into what appears to be an argument waiting to happen, but I would say it is unfair to call Cobain a 'talentless wreck'; I have all Nirvana's releases, but you only have to listen to the MTV unplugged set to realise here was a highly talented man fronting one of the better bands to come out of the Seattle boom of the late '80s - tragically, a few months later, unable to deal with his addictions and inner demons, he took his own life.

Now, back to my original point - many threads on this forum in the past have descended into arguments; debate is fine, debate is healthy, debate is what fuels an intelligent forum like this - but it must be reasoned debate.

Ahem - just my 2 cent's worth - you were saying.....?

Dick Heath wrote: One final point on this "debate": Cobain's talents have impressed folks like Herbie Hancock, for them to cover tunes.

Not to mention Tori Amos's acoustic piano take on 'Teen Spirit'....

Because before Cobain came along, all kids listened to prog.

They did? That's a new one to me!

He wasn't a good musician, but no lyricist in King Crimson's history can hold a candle to Kurt's lyric writing.  Give credit where credit is due.

Kurt the lyricist ain't that much better than Kurt the vocalist or Kurt the guitarist. He wrote some lines that young 'uns felt they connected with, and that's about all I'll give him. Hey, don't bring up the fact that Kurt swiped the main riff from Killing Joke's "'80s" for "Come As You Are" or anything.

I have all Nirvana's releases, but you only have to listen to the MTV unplugged set to realise here was a highly talented man fronting one of the better bands to come out of the Seattle boom of the late '80s

I'll never figure out why Nirvana (then Pearl Jam) were perched atop the "grunge" heap. The term grunge is kind of silly, and bands like Alice In Chains and Soundgarden (a much, much better band than any of the aforementioned...better vocals, better guitar playing, better drumming, better everything!) were firmly metal, IMO, and just because they were based out of Seattle...sheesh.

tragically, a few months later, unable to deal with his addictions and inner demons, he took his own life.

Courtney did it.

Cobain's talents have impressed folks like Herbie Hancock, for them to cover tunes.

Neil Peart thinks Nirvana was great, too, and Carl Palmer publicly approved of Pearl Jam on The Tonight Show, but that doesn't mean I'm going to feel or do likewise.

Somewhere perhaps,on a Nirvana forum,a member is bieng chided for liking Pink Floyd "you raelly like that talantless crap!?" they may be saying.

ALL MUSIC HAS VALIDITY(AND ALL STYLES AND ARTISTS THEIR PLACE.. EVEN MARIAH CAREY!!)EVEN IF WE DO NOT LIKE THE ARTIST!

HOWEVER I WILL AGREE ON DROPFORGES VIEW ON THE TERM "GRUNGE" AS MUCH AS I LIKED BANDS LIKE SOUNDGARDEN MUDHONEY PEARL JAM ETC IT SOUNDED JUST LIKE HARD ROCK/METAL(IF ANYTHING A RETURN TO THE 70s) IN MY HUMBLE OPINOIN. I AM STILL NOT SURE AFTER ALL THESE YAERS WHAT THE "SEATTLE SOUND"  OR GRUNGE ACTUALLY WAS !!

ALL I KNOW IS, A LOT OF IT SOUNDED GOOD!!

DICKS COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING ARE INTERESTING I MUST FIND OUT MORE!!

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dropForge wrote: Cobain & KC should never be mentioned in the same sentence. The former is merely unworthy, and I'll leave it at that.

I completely agree

 

necromancing wrote: Fripp and Crimson are gods. Cobain was a talent-less wreck who foolishly ended his own life. There is NO truth to the media-made myth that Cobain "saved rock". I'll take Warrant, Winger, Slaughter and New Kids On The Block over Blink 182, Sum 41, Linkin Park or Britney Spears any 8 days of the week.   Nothing changed because of Nirvana or "Smells Like Teen Spirit". Mainstream music is as bad now as it's ever been. Despite the 10th anniversary hype, I don't think he's missed at all. "Flash in the pan" is the correct term I believe. The only thing Cobain ever proved to his deluded legion of angst-ridden teenagers, was that he sucked at playing guitar. Those same kids in 1991-1994 should have been listening to Steve Howe and Steve Hackett unload their six strings. Grunge is dead - prog is coming back...show no mercy to bad music.

This is starting to get evenmore ridiculus than the Mariah thread.