Forum Home Forum Home > Other music related lounges > Proto-Prog and Prog-Related Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Was the Beatles the first rock band to use...
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedWas the Beatles the first rock band to use...
 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
desistindo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 02 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 4321 		Direct Link To This Post Topic: Was the Beatles the first rock band to use...
    Posted: July 22 2010 at 07:57
Was the Beatles the first  band to use Indian (Hindu) music elements in rock music??
Back to Top
Vompatti View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: October 22 2005
Location: elsewhere
Status: Offline
Points: 67472 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2010 at 08:02
Probably. In western rock music, anyway.
Back to Top
tarkus1980 View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: March 29 2010
Location: Chicago
Status: Offline
Points: 233 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2010 at 08:04
The Kinks were using them in "See My Friends" before The Beatles did.
"History of Rock Written by the Losers."
Back to Top
desistindo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 02 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 4321 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2010 at 08:35
Originally posted by tarkus1980 tarkus1980 wrote:

The Kinks were using them in "See My Friends" before The Beatles did.
 
Interesting, i found this in Wikipedia:
 
""See My Friends" is a song by The Kinks, written by the group's singer and guitarist, Ray Davies. Released in 1965, it reached #10 on the UK Singles Chart. A rare foray into psychedelic rock for the group, it is credited as the first Western rock song to integrate Indian raga sounds, being released two months before The Beatles' "Norwegian Wood"."
 
So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?


Edited by desistindo - July 22 2010 at 08:36
Back to Top
Dick Heath View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock Specialist

Joined: April 19 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 12818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2010 at 13:51
Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

[QUOTE=tarkus1980]
 
So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?


That's a big jump wrt interpretation.  What about the Arabic fusion with rock at this time - check out the original opening of White Rabbit as recorded by Great Society in, oh yes, 1965?
The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php
Host by PA's Dick Heath.

Back to Top
desistindo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 02 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 4321 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2010 at 16:32
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

[QUOTE=tarkus1980]
 
So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?


That's a big jump wrt interpretation.  What about the Arabic fusion with rock at this time - check out the original opening of White Rabbit as recorded by Great Society in, oh yes, 1965?
Yeah, great tune "White Rabbit", but not real psyco, i think kinks create this stuff at all.
Back to Top
Dick Heath View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock Specialist

Joined: April 19 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 12818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2010 at 16:38
Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

[QUOTE=tarkus1980]
 
So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?


That's a big jump wrt interpretation.  What about the Arabic fusion with rock at this time - check out the original opening of White Rabbit as recorded by Great Society in, oh yes, 1965?
Yeah, great tune "White Rabbit", but not real psyco, i think kinks create this stuff at all.


However, I do.......
The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php
Host by PA's Dick Heath.

Back to Top
earlyprog View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Neo / Heavy Teams

Joined: March 05 2006
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 2171 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2010 at 07:57
Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

Was the Beatles the first  band to use Indian (Hindu) music elements in rock music??
No.
 
The Yardbird's Heart Full Of Soul released June '65 (a month before The Kink's See My Friends) uses Tabla and the guitar imitates the sitar; the original recording did in fact include actual sitar but was never released (?).
 
There's also The Byrds' raga-like Stranger In A Strange Land recorded September '65 three months before the release of Norwegian Wood.


Edited by earlyprog - July 30 2010 at 08:11
Back to Top
Floydman View Drop Down
Forum Groupie
Forum Groupie


Joined: November 24 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 67 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2010 at 12:52
Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

Was the Beatles the first  band to use Indian (Hindu) music elements in rock music??
 
If you mean in the classical sense I would say yes. Yes songs like "See My Friends" or "Heart Full Of Soul" had Indian elements but the Beatles went full blown raga with "Love You To". It's considered or hailed as the first pop song to emulate a non-western form in structure and instrumentation. Also George Harrison would use drones from Indian instruments like the tamboura and put in their songs like "Tomorrow Never Knows" and "Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds".
Back to Top
Floydman View Drop Down
Forum Groupie
Forum Groupie


Joined: November 24 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 67 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2010 at 12:59
Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

Originally posted by tarkus1980 tarkus1980 wrote:

The Kinks were using them in "See My Friends" before The Beatles did.
 
Interesting, i found this in Wikipedia:
 
""See My Friends" is a song by The Kinks, written by the group's singer and guitarist, Ray Davies. Released in 1965, it reached #10 on the UK Singles Chart. A rare foray into psychedelic rock for the group, it is credited as the first Western rock song to integrate Indian raga sounds, being released two months before The Beatles' "Norwegian Wood"."
 
So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?
 
"See My Friends" is rock song with just eastern influences that alone doesn't make it psychedelic.
 
Interesting Rolling Stone Magazine thinks the psychedelic guitar sounds with it's drone starts with "Ticket To Ride". The first song that I know that sounds psychedelic sounding to me though it's not been officially released is  The Beatles - "Norwegian Wood" (Take 2).
Back to Top
Negoba View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: July 24 2008
Location: Big Muddy
Status: Offline
Points: 5210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2010 at 13:14
Norwegian Wood is not very Indian at all, George was just dinking with the sitar and simply played the melody line on the instrument. It's a nice layer, but that's all.
 
"See My Friends" shows much more Indian influence.
 
Great Society's White Rabbit just seems like a 60's jam to me. It's an interesting take, but JA's is better.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
Back to Top
Floydman View Drop Down
Forum Groupie
Forum Groupie


Joined: November 24 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 67 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2010 at 13:21
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Norwegian Wood is not very Indian at all, George was just dinking with the sitar and simply played the melody line on the instrument. It's a nice layer, but that's all.
 
"See My Friends" shows much more Indian influence.
 
Great Society's White Rabbit just seems like a 60's jam to me. It's an interesting take, but JA's is better.
 
Listen to take 2 of "Norwegian Wood" and you hear the strong Indian influence. "If I Needed Someone" also from Rubber Soul has Indian influences but all the songs you mention have Indian influences but I think George HARRISON really intergrated the Indian influences on Revolver than just mimicking it on guitar.
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 30540 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2010 at 16:07
Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

Originally posted by tarkus1980 tarkus1980 wrote:

The Kinks were using them in "See My Friends" before The Beatles did.
 
Interesting, i found this in Wikipedia:
 
""See My Friends" is a song by The Kinks, written by the group's singer and guitarist, Ray Davies. Released in 1965, it reached #10 on the UK Singles Chart. A rare foray into psychedelic rock for the group, it is credited as the first Western rock song to integrate Indian raga sounds, being released two months before The Beatles' "Norwegian Wood"."
 
So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?
They also invented heavy metal with You Really Got Me.
Anything else?Big smile
Back to Top
paganinio View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 07 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 1327 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2010 at 20:22
Is "Norwegian Woods" the first song to have Norwegian black metal elements? In the rock genre anyway, because Norwegian folk black metal went way back to the ancient primeval ages.
Back to Top
Logan View Drop Down
Forum & Site Admin Group
Forum & Site Admin Group
Avatar
Site Admin

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: In repose.
Status: Offline
Points: 38974 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2010 at 00:56
I want to mention Seventh Sons Raga from 1964 as an early foray into raga rock.




Edited by Logan - August 28 2010 at 00:57
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Back to Top
rogerthat View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: September 03 2006
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2010 at 01:03
Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Is "Norwegian Woods" the first song to have Norwegian black metal elements?


At least troll with some imagination, will you? Dead
Back to Top
RoyFairbank View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 07 2008
Location: Somewhere
Status: Offline
Points: 1072 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2010 at 10:28
There was a song called Eight Miles High by the Byrds in 65 as well... or was it 66?

Does it really matter?

I haven't heard the Rubber Soul song, but the George Harrison experiments on some future albums were not always successful. For instance the Sitar dominated track on Srg. Peppers, second of the two weak songs on that album. Sometimes it was used for good purposes though, namely on Tomorrow Never Knows, which isn't a Harrison track.

The best use of a sitar is on 90125! yeah!
Back to Top
Rabid View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 20 2008
Location: Bridge of Knows
Status: Offline
Points: 512 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 04:33
Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Is "Norwegian Woods" the first song to have Norwegian black metal elements? In the rock genre anyway, because Norwegian folk black metal went way back to the ancient primeval ages.

 
No. It's the first song to have Norwegian black wood elements.  Tongue
 
"...the thing IS, to put a motor in yourself..."
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.285 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.