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Was the Beatles the first  band to use Indian (Hindu) music elements in rock music??
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Probably. In western rock music, anyway.
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The Kinks were using them in "See My Friends" before The Beatles did.
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Originally posted by tarkus1980 tarkus1980 wrote:

The Kinks were using them in "See My Friends" before The Beatles did.
 
Interesting, i found this in Wikipedia:
 
""See My Friends" is a song by The Kinks, written by the group's singer and guitarist, Ray Davies. Released in 1965, it reached #10 on the UK Singles Chart. A rare foray into psychedelic rock for the group, it is credited as the first Western rock song to integrate Indian raga sounds, being released two months before The Beatles' "Norwegian Wood"."
 
So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?


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Points: 12818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2010 at 13:51
Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

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So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?


That's a big jump wrt interpretation.  What about the Arabic fusion with rock at this time - check out the original opening of White Rabbit as recorded by Great Society in, oh yes, 1965?
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

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So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?


That's a big jump wrt interpretation.  What about the Arabic fusion with rock at this time - check out the original opening of White Rabbit as recorded by Great Society in, oh yes, 1965?
Yeah, great tune "White Rabbit", but not real psyco, i think kinks create this stuff at all.
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Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

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So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?


That's a big jump wrt interpretation.  What about the Arabic fusion with rock at this time - check out the original opening of White Rabbit as recorded by Great Society in, oh yes, 1965?
Yeah, great tune "White Rabbit", but not real psyco, i think kinks create this stuff at all.


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Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

Was the Beatles the first  band to use Indian (Hindu) music elements in rock music??
No.
 
The Yardbird's Heart Full Of Soul released June '65 (a month before The Kink's See My Friends) uses Tabla and the guitar imitates the sitar; the original recording did in fact include actual sitar but was never released (?).
 
There's also The Byrds' raga-like Stranger In A Strange Land recorded September '65 three months before the release of Norwegian Wood.


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Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

Was the Beatles the first  band to use Indian (Hindu) music elements in rock music??
 
If you mean in the classical sense I would say yes. Yes songs like "See My Friends" or "Heart Full Of Soul" had Indian elements but the Beatles went full blown raga with "Love You To". It's considered or hailed as the first pop song to emulate a non-western form in structure and instrumentation. Also George Harrison would use drones from Indian instruments like the tamboura and put in their songs like "Tomorrow Never Knows" and "Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds".
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Points: 67 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2010 at 12:59
Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

Originally posted by tarkus1980 tarkus1980 wrote:

The Kinks were using them in "See My Friends" before The Beatles did.
 
Interesting, i found this in Wikipedia:
 
""See My Friends" is a song by The Kinks, written by the group's singer and guitarist, Ray Davies. Released in 1965, it reached #10 on the UK Singles Chart. A rare foray into psychedelic rock for the group, it is credited as the first Western rock song to integrate Indian raga sounds, being released two months before The Beatles' "Norwegian Wood"."
 
So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?
 
"See My Friends" is rock song with just eastern influences that alone doesn't make it psychedelic.
 
Interesting Rolling Stone Magazine thinks the psychedelic guitar sounds with it's drone starts with "Ticket To Ride". The first song that I know that sounds psychedelic sounding to me though it's not been officially released is  The Beatles - "Norwegian Wood" (Take 2).
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Norwegian Wood is not very Indian at all, George was just dinking with the sitar and simply played the melody line on the instrument. It's a nice layer, but that's all.
 
"See My Friends" shows much more Indian influence.
 
Great Society's White Rabbit just seems like a 60's jam to me. It's an interesting take, but JA's is better.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Norwegian Wood is not very Indian at all, George was just dinking with the sitar and simply played the melody line on the instrument. It's a nice layer, but that's all.
 
"See My Friends" shows much more Indian influence.
 
Great Society's White Rabbit just seems like a 60's jam to me. It's an interesting take, but JA's is better.
 
Listen to take 2 of "Norwegian Wood" and you hear the strong Indian influence. "If I Needed Someone" also from Rubber Soul has Indian influences but all the songs you mention have Indian influences but I think George HARRISON really intergrated the Indian influences on Revolver than just mimicking it on guitar.
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Points: 30472 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2010 at 16:07
Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

Originally posted by tarkus1980 tarkus1980 wrote:

The Kinks were using them in "See My Friends" before The Beatles did.
 
Interesting, i found this in Wikipedia:
 
""See My Friends" is a song by The Kinks, written by the group's singer and guitarist, Ray Davies. Released in 1965, it reached #10 on the UK Singles Chart. A rare foray into psychedelic rock for the group, it is credited as the first Western rock song to integrate Indian raga sounds, being released two months before The Beatles' "Norwegian Wood"."
 
So, Kinks practically invented psychedelic rock with this tune, right?
They also invented heavy metal with You Really Got Me.
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Is "Norwegian Woods" the first song to have Norwegian black metal elements? In the rock genre anyway, because Norwegian folk black metal went way back to the ancient primeval ages.
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Points: 38969 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2010 at 00:56
I want to mention Seventh Sons Raga from 1964 as an early foray into raga rock.




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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2010 at 01:03
Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Is "Norwegian Woods" the first song to have Norwegian black metal elements?


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Points: 1072 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2010 at 10:28
There was a song called Eight Miles High by the Byrds in 65 as well... or was it 66?

Does it really matter?

I haven't heard the Rubber Soul song, but the George Harrison experiments on some future albums were not always successful. For instance the Sitar dominated track on Srg. Peppers, second of the two weak songs on that album. Sometimes it was used for good purposes though, namely on Tomorrow Never Knows, which isn't a Harrison track.

The best use of a sitar is on 90125! yeah!
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Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Is "Norwegian Woods" the first song to have Norwegian black metal elements? In the rock genre anyway, because Norwegian folk black metal went way back to the ancient primeval ages.

 
No. It's the first song to have Norwegian black wood elements.  Tongue
 
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