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akajazzman 
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 16:34 |
Progpositivity on a different thread – “who enjoys Progressive music more !?” – made and interesting observation about younger listeners vs older listeners. It got me thinking about us older Prog and music in general lovers. Lets face it, your average 45 year old is not a music nut like us. Moreover, a lot of the people that were really into music with us back in the 70s just aren’t into it anymore. They’re happy to play the same tunes they were playing back in the day, or trite radio pap. Or worse, they turned off the stereo completely years ago.
I’m curious, for us older music lovers hanging out at ProgArchives, we’re obviously still into music or you wouldn’t be reading this, so what are your musical habits? Are you still (just) playing those great albums of the 60s and 70s? Are you still as passionate about music as when you were younger? Do you play the older stuff to remind you of better days? Do you listen to the newer stuff? Did you put music aside for a decade, only to rediscover it now that your kids are older and your career is on track? What do you think of Prog metal? Do you feel a generation gap on ProgArchives? Who are your favorite newer discoveries?
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Hercules
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 16:49 |
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I'm a child of the 50s (I'm 59). I cut my teeth on prog in the late 60s but very few albums from the 60s float my boat - most of my favourite albums come from the first half of the 70s.
However, I do listen to a lot of newer music. IQ, Mostly Autumn, Iona, Opeth, Riverside, Anglagard, PT, Spock's Beard (amongst others) get played a lot.
I got particularly angry this week when another member accused me of being "sad" for suggesting that some musicians in the 70s (Can and Jamie Muir, to be precise) may not have been very good live. He than grumbled that I had praised Mostly Autumn and referred to them as examples of post 1989 rubbish, The sad thing is that some are stuck in the 70s and think that nothing good is done now. Such a closed mind.
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MuzikLuva
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 17:02 |
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I am more of a child of the 60's (although I was born in 1954) and am 56. I still listen to a lot of the older stuff but also follow Marillion, Opeth, IQ, Porcupine Tree and a lot more. When I'm listening to the radio in a car I prefer the rock of the the late 60's/early 70's as most of what came after the mid 70's got to be very boring and mundane. The progressive movement has broadened greatly over the years and produced some great sounding music. I only hope it continues to grow and that today's musicians try to push the envelope as did The Beatles, Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, etc.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 17:04 |
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We obviously have some older fans that won't go past the older stuff. I'm 45 and honestly I keep an open ear. At the same time I have built up a large collection and have had to really put the brakes on new discoveries. By no means will I ever stop exploring or dismiss new stuff. The essence of being a prog music fan has always been the exploring for me.
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 20 2010 at 17:07
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 17:11 |
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This old guy likes a lot of new music. Its just certain bands, they might be nu jazz, unique metal bands, electronica stuff, acid jazz, post rock, or dub; or it could be something totally different and off the wall. Old music can sound good too, but not anything that has been played on the radio too much.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 17:18 |
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I'm 48 and although I still listen to the classic ELP, Genesis, Crimson, VDGG stuff from the 70's, do like some of the so-called newer stuff (Porcupine Tree, the Gourishankar, Transatlantic, Areknames, Tortoise, NIN)
Music however is much, much bigger than the cramped cosmology of prog and I also enjoy a lot of post-punk, european folk music, classical, jazz and even (gulp) Noel Coward and 30's popular music.
I also know several prog fans in their 20's who listen only to prog (which really is sad)
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TheGazzardian
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 17:24 |
 Hercules wrote:
I got particularly angry this week when another member accused me of being "sad" for suggesting that some musicians in the 70s (Can and Jamie Muir, to be precise) may not have been very good live. He than grumbled that I had praised Mostly Autumn and referred to them as examples of post 1989 rubbish, The sad thing is that some are stuck in the 70s and think that nothing good is done now. Such a closed mind.
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Sounds like Walter; just ignore him. He's a troll. 
Edited by TheGazzardian - November 20 2010 at 17:25
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 17:28 |
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Is not the average age here around 56 ? That is why the debates on retirement homes and zimmer frames is so fierce in ProgArchives. Everyone have their own personal preferences and experiences in those matters.
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 17:37 |
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I'm 41, and tend to listen to older prog more, although perhaps surprisingly not much neo prog. I got into prog rock when neo prog was really taking shaoe but it was the music of Genesis, Rush, Yes and Floyd that really caught my attention at the time. Although I did like Marillion and Pallas.
These days I still listen to the classic bands more than anything else. ELP and King Crimson I actually only warmed to in the last ten years. I do like some of the more new prog bands, notably Porcupine Tree (who I think are fantastic) Opeth, Muse, Tinyfish, 90's IQ, and some Dream Theater.
I listen to a lot of electronic music, and have done since the early 90's. My avatar should give you some clues to the sort of electronica I like.
Edited by Blacksword - November 20 2010 at 17:39
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Finnforest
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 17:46 |
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Well I'm gonna burst this bubble right now. I'm mid 40s and I'm much MORE musically adventurous than I ever was in my younger days, and as adventurous as many current young people I know.
Edited by Finnforest - November 20 2010 at 20:57
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 17:55 |
I'm continually impressed by the old farts here that are into newer stuff and the young farts that are into the older stuff. Keeps things interesting, you know... The number of young folks who got into prog thanks to one or both of their parent's prog collection are interesting. Makes me feel kind of old and I haven't had children, but I'm pretty sure they would be prog fans. So anyone here have kids that just despise prog or just don't get it?
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 20 2010 at 18:02
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Proletariat
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 18:02 |
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im not over 40 but am really enjoying reading this thread... and i had a somewhat interesting thought. It seems to me like PA has two main groups of users/fans those over 40 and those under 25, and they each have different views but I think that after progs 15 year slump now there is a comeback even if all sounds arent familiar!!! its an exciting time for prog and young and old alike should be excited to explore the new bands
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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dwill123
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 18:17 |
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I'm 55 (56 in about 5 weeks) and I still listen religiously to early Genesis, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, ELP and Yes. I'm not really into the newer stuff (seems to lack depth to me). I also listen to a lot of 70s fusion (Mahavishnu, RTF, Eleventh House, Weather Report, etc.). I also like old school rap and what I refer to as quality "smooth jazz" (Rippingtons, David Benoit, Special EFX, etc).
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 18:27 |
oh! you old people and your rantings!!! go back to your nursing homes!!!  
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 18:28 |
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Old skool? Liek notorious big ?
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beebs
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 18:58 |
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I'll turn 54 in 3 weeks, and I got caught up in rock and prog starting in the late 60's, when my uncle turned me on to Iron Butterfly, The Doors, The Beatles and The Stones. The first albums I bought was everything released by The Doors, and then I caught my first exposure to Yes and The Moody Blues. Later (late high school, college) came ELP, Genesis, Camel, Mahavishnu, Gentle Giant, et al. I also was really into fusion jazz, and ate up everything I could get my hands on.
With the 80's, prog all but disappeared completely. In its place, we had disco, punk, new wave, and a host of "one-offs". I listened mostly to Tangerine Dream, but discovered The Fixx, who tided me over for a few years.
In about 2004, I discovered this site and other promoting "new" progressive rock, and thanks to the Internet (God's sakes, kiddies....we actually had to "talk" and go to shows and these things called record stores to find out about new bands), I'm listening to many more bands than ever. From Porcupine Tree and The Tangent to Anima Mundi and Ulver, with a universe of great music in between.
Prog - in my mind - is more alive and prolific now than ever.
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Dean
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 19:34 |
mahavishnujoel wrote:
oh! you old people and your rantings!!! go back to your nursing homes!!! |
While we have the image of people in nursing homes listening to Glenn Miller and Nat King Cole, they are just as likely to be listening to The Beatles and Iron Butterfly and recounting the day they saw Jimi Hendrix (born 68 years ago) at Monterey Pop Festival.
Anywho - I'm quite impressed by the number of oldies on this forum who are open and receptive to the modern bands. Then I think that "our generation" (ie those of us who were teenagers in the 70s and 80s) are a little unique in that respect - the generations before and after do appear to be more set in their ways.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 19:42 |
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remember that a 45 year old (like me) was a mere tot when albums like Tarkus and TaaB came out.. we had the benefit of growing up during the tail-end of those times, but my generation's actual prog markers were closer to The Wall than to Dark Side of the Moon
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GaryB
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 20:07 |
Turned 61 last month and have been into music all my life. Earliest memories are hearing my Dad play his 1949 Gibson acoustic and listening to my parents sing and play gospel songs on the radio.
I was 12 or 13 when the British Invasion hit but I was already listening to guitar oriented music like Duane Eddy and the Ventures. Was into mid-late 60s music and would go to sleep with a transistor radio under my pillow.
1969-71 were my Army years and remember one morning sitting in a club in Da Nang and hearing Frijid Pink's
version of House Of The Rising Sun on a reel to reel.
By the end of the 70s my LP collection had hit 2000 and went to cassettes in the 80s, Ozzy, Skid Row, Mr. Big, Lynch Mob, etc.
With Metal it was Pantera, Megadeth, Metallica, Iron Maiden.
Newer stuff I listen to: Tantric, Drowning Pool, Corrosion Of Conformity, Wolfmother, Kerbdog, Vinnie Moore,
Monster Magnet, Damage Plan.
My kids are 31, 32 and 35 and I turn them onto music.
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 20:46 |
Finally, at the tender age of 46, I decided to invest in a 160gB iPod which is now half full with the complete works of King Crimson, Hammill & VdGG, Gabriel & Genesis, Camel, Yes, Zappa etc. including lots of 'new' kids on the block (Tool, Big Big Train, OSI, Porcupine Tree, Cheer Accident and so on), plus various rock albums (Little Feat, Steely Dan, Nick Cave, to name but a few) and essential Jazz and Classical. I wouldn't dream of stopping to listen to good music - even my 21 year old son slowly comes around to my ecclectic taste and is gobsmacked by the sheer variety of music out there.
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