90125 crappy?
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Topic: 90125 crappy?
Posted By: Gluonio
Subject: 90125 crappy?
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 16:42
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90125-Yes :Why do most people say that this is a crappy album?Am i insane to really like it?I mean ok it's a little more pop but isn't it still beautifull?Your opinions?I rate it ****! ------------- ...But my dreams are for dreaming and best left that way-and my zero to your power of ten equals nothing at all... |
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Posted By: ummagumma08
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 16:55
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I remember liking it a lot, but havn't listened to it in at least 2 years, I suppose I wouldn't like it much now, but I remember Hearts was my favourite track Rating: probably *** |
Posted By: DEzerov
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 17:13
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Enjoyed it very much....7.5/10 and the tour was great (83 April, Indianapolis, IN).
------------- The moon is made by some lame cooper and you can see the idiot has no idea about moons at all - Nikolay Gogol |
Posted By: SlipperFink
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 18:04
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Dreadful.
Terrible. Awful. Horrendous. A gigantic plastic StarWars bowlingball of shreiky noise and fluff. That about covers it. SM. |
Posted By: Odysseus
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 18:08
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It's OK if you like it. But, IMO, Yes has done so much better than that. |
Posted By: sonic wizard
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 18:24
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hmmm... its not the worst album I've ever heard, but if you compare it to any other Yes album it sucks. I can understand why some people enjoy it, but I would rather spend my listening time on something like CTTE or Fragile. ------------- Arguing on the internet is a lot like the special olympics - even if you win, you're still retarded. |
Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 18:40
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I agree. 90125 speaks for itself, and many people bought it, but when you think how great were their past albums, you definitly feel something very important is missing and this makes you sad. You can analize 90125 in terms of classical Yes albums, when you ponder balance of Jon & Steve vs Chris & Alan and the role of Rick and Bill. For old yesfan it is a shock to hear Jon doing backing vocals and ordinary guitar and keyboard solos from Trevor and Tony. ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 18:48
| RaphaelT sums it. I thought it was quite good, but as diehard Yes fan, it wasn't Yes, more like another group formed with some Yes members. Those new to Yes won't have these preconceptions and will find it quite interesting. |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 19:05
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for a pop/rock album ***** for a prog rock album ***** I thought leave it would have been really cool if GG had written the vocal arrangement, which I think is pretty cool already. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 19:41
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it was great as pop albums as the 80 genesis stuff but as a prog
is awfull. 
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 19:41
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I don't like 90125 much. It's nothing compared to old yes and even when not
comparing it, its still not that good. It's not a good rock album IMO either. Like I said in a previous thread: Compare 90125 to any Zeppelin album or any Cream album. 90125 doesn't even come close. Though there is much hatred towards Tormato, it is thousands of miles beyond 90125 IMO (though it sometimes gets credited as even worse than 90125, how I don't understand.) ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 22:52
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It is an OK album, but in terms of big good as a 'Yes' album...no it is crap.. Compared to the rest of their output before it it is just a plain rock album, I was dreadfully disappointed when I got the record home in 1983. All I could think, was "what is this pop album?" ...the tour was good though, even if there were few REAL Yes songs.. |
Posted By: progmog
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 00:32
I totally rate it as I do ALL of the Rabin-era Yeas albums ('Talk' is my favourite). Trevor Rabin is often attacked by 70's era fans of the band who refuse to give him any credit for the contributions to the band. This view is ridiculous in my opinion, because without Rabin that band would have completely disappeared altogether. Without taking away the contributions of Messrs. Squire and White, Trevor Rabin almost singlehandedly saved the band from extinction in the early 80's. The die-hards will continue to contest that he cheapened the sound of Yes by making them more mainstream and commercially minded, but I am probably alone in saying that he brought a breath of fresh air to Anderson's (at times) barely decipherable rhetoric.
Unfortunately for the band, Rabin left and no one stepped in to take the helm. The subsequent patchy and unsuccessful albums polarised the fan base to a short list of hardcores (witness the low turnout at Yes concerts since 'Talk'), and stripping the band of any credibility in the music business (witness their demise to obscure record labels). I rest my case..... |
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Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 02:00
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90125 is a really great album ! It's sure that you cannot compared it to close to the edge or going for the one or the yes album. But I love it as I love and then there were three by genesis...and we cannot compared this one to foxtrot or nursery cryme !! It's not because close to the edge is better that 90125 is a bad album ! |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 02:04
| I think the musical style of the album is crappy, but I can't judge the quality of that album objectively. "Owner..." is a catchy pop song, no doubt about it. |
Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 02:07
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Yes........so what ? |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 02:30
very curious way to rate albums! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 02:50
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90125 is an iconic 80's rock album. Standing alongside the rest of the Yes catalogue it doesn't fair well, but in isolation of that I;d say it's a great album. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: bobthesalesman
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 03:10
^^^^^^^
90215 is one of the main reasons why i hate the 80s so much. ------------- www.myspace.com/thepianowar |
Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 03:28
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As with Open your eyes, Yes tried something never done before by them with 90125.
And they succeeded in penning a huge hit with Owner of a lonely heart, plus other outstanding numbers(the wonderful Changes with its multiple sections nad its two lead singers, the amazing Leave it with gorgeous vocal harmonies, the beautiful and brief instrumental Cinema, the powerful Hold On and It can happen) Then ok, we have Our song that is less than memorable...but all in all is an outstanding and crafty effort and who cares if definitely prog or not! My rating:  ------------- A flower? 
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 04:39
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Agreed. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 04:45
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It va good album, but not my favourite. ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:22
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Come on now. It may not be my fave by far, but it still has something to recommend it (City Of Love, Changes, It Can Happen...) Unlike the stinky Big Generator (Final Eyes notwithstanding) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:30
| Bljak album. Waste of time |
Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 06:08
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90125 is an excellent album and I'm a Wakeman/Fragile/Close to the Edge fan. I really like the vocal harmonies. I'm really annoyed that a remastered version has the acapella track and I've already got the album without. Is it a ploy to rip us off? Big Generator is inconsistent. Despite Shoot High, Aim Low etc, Jacaranda is very poor. I haven't heard all of the Talk album. Can anyone recommend it to someone that likes both 70s and 80s versions of the group? I understand that Union is bad, but I've heard Shock to the System and thought it was pretty good. Am I mistaken? |
Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 06:12
| All three 'YESwest' albums are great IMO!!!!!! |
Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 06:39
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------------- "He's a man of the past and one of the present" PETER HAMMILL |
- a perfect definition, Darksideone!Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 06:57
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I think it depends on how broad a spectrum you embrace with music appreciation. 90125 was a very successful album and you can appreciate why, as it has a number of songs which are composed for much more of a mainstream audience. It is therefore better I think, not to compare it to heavily with the more progressive Yes of the 70s. I like the album because despite some of its weaknesses, it does have some clever compositional arrangements and for its time ( IMO that period of the 80s was a dogsbreakfast as far as music is concerned) even though it suffered as a result of the populist/fad mentality, it was in fact a breath of life. By that I mean, there are still some definitive Yes influences in alot of the compositions and I believe it introduced a whole new generation of young music lovers to Yes and to progrock. NetsJ summed it up quite well I think when he rated it a 5 for pop/rock and a 2 for prog. Just appreciate it for what it is. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: MarkCsigs
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 07:36
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It's certainly not the most ambitious Yes album ... but it was much better than most stuff on the radio at the time. Still, I've got "Changes", "Hearts", "City of Love" and "Hold On" loaded onto my itunes ... which is more tracks than I have from Tormato. Then again, technically that's more tracks than from Close to the Edge or Relayer but that's beside the point ... ------------- I repeat myself when under stress. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 07:43
I quite liked 90125,it was soooo much better than Tormato or Drama,but then that would'nt be difficult. I still listen now and then.I stopped listening after Big Generator though  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: CrazyDiamond
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 08:19
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Certainly, this ain't a masterpiece. Certainly, it has its moments. Certainly... mah... ___BYE___ ------------- 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 08:21
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Sadly,I must say it is not a good album... Ruined a continuos line of good albums...  ------------- 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 09:28
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I remember liking it back in 1983, when it came out, but I think that because they adopted an AOR radio friendly style, it was immediate, and has no great shelf life. Also, it sounds very much 'of its time', and in a peculiar way, more dated than some of their great albums, even though it was written a decade later. In truth, its not a bad album, but can't be considered as great, especially when compared to CTTE & The Yes Album.... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 09:36
Nothing much... Maybe I thought it's a crappy album from a prog fan's subjective point of view, but is it crappy when examined objectively? Hard to say. |
Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 10:53
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I'm revisiting my Yes' collection these days and, so far, 90125 seems to me their worst album. In my opinion it's an average 80's pop record (although the musicians are excellent). It's the only Yes' record I've listened to that I don't feel any interest in listening to it again. ------------- [IMG]http://www.belderrain.es/GIFs/tora.gif"> |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 10:57
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Good album if you take it for what it is and not compare it to their earlier stuff. ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 05:39
This is the right mood to listen to 90125 In my opinion, every album is a stand-alone experience: if one starts comparing it with all that went before, there's a good chance that he will be disappointed in one way or another! Never let your prejudices guide you in listening to new stuff, even if it is made from the people you already know! ------------- A flower?
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Posted By: gulliman
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 08:59
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It's first VERY different Yes album comparing to their classic "overblown masterpieces", hands down. But is it THAT bad as many scream here? It's focused, precise, polished. The melodies are there, the band's tight playing is there (even more tightened up by the revolutionary (at least back then revolutionary) production. Missing are those self-indulgent overtly long instrumental interludes. Come one... who needs them anyway? It's a fine album on it's own right, and very important in the band's history/discography. It helped them to stay alive during that horrible, overtly commercial period in pop music (which still lasts, btw, if you didn't notice that). So, GET OVER IT, you, 90125 haters! |
Posted By: rawkhawk54
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:32
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I thoroughly enjoyed the album. In fact it was the first Yes album I listened to, and since then I've enjoyed almost all of their music. ------------- Ashes and diamonds, foe and friend, we were all equal in the end. -Roger Waters Confusion will be my epitaph. -King Crimson |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:51
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I love it to bits! I grew up with this album as it was the first Yes record I bought (way back in 1982/3). I saw them on this tour at Wembly and although I would have preferred to have seen the 'classic' line up of Horn/Downes/Squire/Howe/White  , I had a great time at the gig and even got to snog a girl in the parking lot after.What more could a guy ask for?  ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Prodigal
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 13:09
| I think it's much better than the albums Genesis released in the 80s. |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 13:19
| But the KC albums of the 80's are wonderful! (IMO) |
Posted By: Wormboy
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 13:27
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Ah, you mean that album by Cinema? You realize that they were going to name themselves Cinema, and it was going to be sort of like Asia? Then Anderson came on board and they realized that they didn't need to re-make their fame, they could just rest on the old Yes laurels. So, like Asia, they made a pop album with a prog lineup. It is a well-produced album as such things go. Tight performace and clean sound, plus some nice musical ideas. But it's not even close to Prog, and it sure as heck isn't real Yes. I've always thought alimony payments had more to do with this album than anything...  |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 13:44
Yes! Especially Discipline. |
Posted By: d.o.k
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 14:32
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90125 crappy ? Of course ! This is not even a Yes album for me |
Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 14:37
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It's not exactly prog, but it's one of the best 80's pop/rock albums I know. The arrangements are cleverly done and quite original in most cases, if you can listen through the 80's soundsauce. In fact I think they never produced something more creative afterwards (well, maybe ABWH or The Ladder, which were at least proggier). On the other hand... I very much prefer their 70-77 less confined musical output. |
Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 04:23
I sore-heartedly have to agree! It definitely has a stronger impact than the most convincing eighties-Genesis release (Genesis) ------------- A flower?
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Posted By: ablamux
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 19:12
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on 90125. i'll try to shorten my message, that i have in my head.
first of all, i agree that 90125 could be a great album, but it must be considered not like an album in it's quality alone, but in the prog context. it's illogical to make arguments that other prog giants released even more obscure records and thus this yes album is good (u understand wht i mean;P). second, in my humble opinion, people who loves this album, listen to it through "magical Yes historical importance" headphones. i mean you know that Yes is, well YES, so and you and I consider this album with already formed attitude, very subjective. in conclusion, everything undergous perpetual change, so i don't expect Yes to be eternally "the best". every band has their crap. thank you very much |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 20:29
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True, however, I still do not take the slightest liking to it. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 20:31
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I don't think that it is that bad, I would rate it 3.5 stars ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: Syntharachnid
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 20:42
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It's a good "prog-related" album. *** for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: RipplingWaves
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 23:21
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I think it's actually a very good pop album. I wouldn't rate it in a prog context, though, and I don't think the quality of the album compares to the likes of Close To The Edge or Going For The One, but for what it is, the cd is excellent. I still prefer Big Generator over all the other Yes-west releases, though. |
Posted By: Emiaj
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 03:43
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I got a copy some days after its release from a bro-in law who brought it from USA..first I was confused about the line-up..
"where's Howe and The Buggles?..who's this Trevor Rabin? ..what happened with Roger Dean?..what a sh*tty cover.. ok..it's brand new and a gift so let's listen to it cause Anderson is back and Kaye!" Leave it and Owner of a lonely heart were the songs I always skipped after the first listen so both were and still are crappy for me |
Posted By: ablamux
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 03:48
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Syntharachnid wrote:
"It's a good "prog-related" album. *** for me." then i suggest creating a new categroy for it. for example pop-prog top 100 . it would get a high place
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Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 03:50
| Yes, crappy (pardon the pun). No Bruford, no Howe (parrdon the pun), no Dean, waste of time. Move on. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 04:38
I was listening to this on the way to work today. It was the first time I'd listened to it for a couple of years. It's a great album. It's got a bright, positive and inspirational feel to it. Rate it ****  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 06:54
I agree, if you want it to sound like early and mid period YES, it will never be the same band. But then again Wakeman couldnt ever do as good of job as Moraz did on just one album. That it was a commercial success, more power to it. I mean hey chicks like it! Anyway I think its not as good as Relayer and better than Close to the Edge or Fragile. I think these 4 albums represent the YES idea best. Totally unique and lucky to get it in the early 80's due to the record companies strangehold on the progressive idea. 
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Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 07:16
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It is one of the best of the prog albums of the 80s. Not quite as good as their 70s material but not far off ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 08:47
I liked it a lot when I was 15 (the year it came out ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
) but I really don't think it's aged that well... 3/5 from me... I'd rather put Drama on these days, if I want so 80's Yes...Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 08:49
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YES !!!!!!!!!
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |