Prog Europa: Top 10 European Prog Bands
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Topic: Prog Europa: Top 10 European Prog Bands
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: Prog Europa: Top 10 European Prog Bands
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 04:59
The Top 10 poll you've all been waiting for, featuring all-European (non-British) prog bands.  Simply list your Top 10 European prog bands below and then I'll assign the usual system of points to your listings:- 1st band - 30 points 2nd band - 20 points 3rd band - 15 points 4th band - 12 points 5th band - 10 points 6th band - 6 points 7th band - 5 points 8th band - 4 points 9th band - 3 points 10th band - 2 points Here's my Euro Top 10 to get the poll underway:- 1. Tangerine Dream (30 points) 2. Agitation Free (20 points) 3. Earth and Fire (15 points) 4. Ayreon (12 points) 5. The Cosmic Jokers (10 points) 6. Solution (6 points) 7. Group 1850 (5 points) 8. Guru Guru (4 points) 9. Ash Ra Tempel / Ashra (3 points) 10. Focus (2 points) Good luck and may the best band win! 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 05:03
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 05:11
1. Alquin 2. Magma 3. Anekdoten 4. Jordsjø 5. Tangerine Dream 6. Focus 7. Wobbler 8. Triumvirat 9. Nine Stones Close X. Ingranaggi della Valle
Bubbling under: Eloy Daal
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 05:32
Cristi wrote:
tomorrow I could make a totally different list.
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Maybe I should wait until tomorrow then before I add your points on. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 05:33
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
tomorrow I could make a totally different list.
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Maybe I should wait until tomorrow then before I add your points on.  |
are you mocking me or are you not getting the point I was trying to make?
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 05:36
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
tomorrow I could make a totally different list.
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Maybe I should wait until tomorrow then before I add your points on.  |
are you mocking me or are you not getting the point I was trying to make? |
No, don't worry, I'll add your points on anyway, but probably not today. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 05:42
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
tomorrow I could make a totally different list.
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Maybe I should wait until tomorrow then before I add your points on.  |
are you mocking me or are you not getting the point I was trying to make? |
No, don't worry, I'll add your points on anyway, but probably not today.  |
forget about it, I'm deleting my list.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 06:21
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
tomorrow I could make a totally different list.
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Maybe I should wait until tomorrow then before I add your points on.  |
are you mocking me or are you not getting the point I was trying to make? |
No, don't worry, I'll add your points on anyway, but probably not today.  |
forget about it, I'm deleting my list. |
There's no need to get upset. I wasn't planning to add anyone's points on today. I was just waiting until a few more votes had come in. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 06:26
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
tomorrow I could make a totally different list.
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Maybe I should wait until tomorrow then before I add your points on.  |
are you mocking me or are you not getting the point I was trying to make? |
No, don't worry, I'll add your points on anyway, but probably not today.  |
forget about it, I'm deleting my list. |
There's no need to get upset. I wasn't planning to add anyone's points on today. I was just waiting until a few more votes had come in.  |
there was no need for you to quote me and mock what I said either, but what can you do...
I'll pass on this list...
au revoir
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 06:28
1. Tangerine Dream (30 points) 2. Agitation Free (20 points) 3. Earth and Fire (15 points) 4. Ayreon (12 points) 5. The Cosmic Jokers (10 points) 6. Solution (6 points) 7. Group 1850 (5 points) 8. Guru Guru (4 points) 9. Ash Ra Tempel / Ashra (3 points) 10. Focus (2 points) |
That's a really really weird list. It only includes Germany and the Netherlands for some reason. I mean, we're talking European bands here. So I think stuff like RPI would count.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 08:10
First 10Univers Zero Vezhlivy Otkaz Present Magma Samla Mammas Manna CAN Amon Duul II Art Zoyd Tangerine Dream PoiL
Second 10 Uz Jsme Doma Yugen Schnellertollermeier elephant9 Jaga Jazzist Etron Fou Leloublan Alamaailman Vasarat Anglagard Forgas Band Phenomena Hedvig Mollestad
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 09:04
Britain is still part of Europe, like it or not. 
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 09:25
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 09:48
10. Goblin 9. SBB 8. Gazpacho 7. RPWL 6. After Crying 5. Hostsonaten 4. Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso 3. Sigur Ros 2. Anekdoten 1. Anglangard
Just bubbling under:
The Flower Kings
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 09:53
Hrychu wrote:
1. Tangerine Dream (30 points) 2. Agitation Free (20 points) 3. Earth and Fire (15 points) 4. Ayreon (12 points) 5. The Cosmic Jokers (10 points) 6. Solution (6 points) 7. Group 1850 (5 points) 8. Guru Guru (4 points) 9. Ash Ra Tempel / Ashra (3 points) 10. Focus (2 points) |
That's a really really weird list. It only includes Germany and the Netherlands for some reason. I mean, we're talking European bands here. So I think stuff like RPI would count. |
You could include ten Italian bands in your Top 10 if you like, just to even things up. 
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 10:04
Is this for my 10 favourite European bands/artists; what I think are the 10 “best” European bands/artists; or what I think are the 10 most influential European bands/artists. While there would a certain degree of overlap, I could present you with three quite different lists, depending on what you are looking for.... 🤔
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 10:11
nick_h_nz wrote:
Is this for my 10 favourite European bands/artists; what I think are the 10 “best” European bands/artists; or what I think are the 10 most influential European bands/artists. While there would a certain degree of overlap, I could present you with three quite different lists, depending on what you are looking for.... 🤔
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Just pick your ten favourites. 
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 10:13
geekfreak wrote:
Lockdown cabin fever opposite to the last occurring lockdown. Thanks Doris! |
I didn't realise you were British until you mentioned "Doris" 
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 11:12
Do you know what? Stuff it! I’m going to use this post to try and learn something new. So here’s my top ten for each European country (or less than ten, where I like less than ten). Help me fill the gaps, people!
Albania (none)
Andorra 1. Persefone
Armenia 1. Trigran Hamasyan
Austria (bizarrely, my preference seems alphabetical here) 4. Blank Manuscript 3. Mindspeak 2. Phi 1. Second Relation
Azerbaijan (none)
Belarus 7. The Worm Ouroboros 6. Serdce 5. 7 Ocean 4. Five Story Ensemble 3. The Arkestra 2. Rational Diet 1. Mission Jupiter
Belgium 9. Scarved 8. dEUS 7. Echo Collective 6. Dominique Vantomme 5. The Wrong Object 4. Machine Mass 3. douBt 2. Aksak Maboul 1. Helium Horse Fly
Bosnia & Herzegovina (none)
Bulgaria 1. smallman
Croatia 9. Sfumato 8. Them Moose Rush 7. Žen 6. Tùs Nua 5. Trokut 4. Porto Morto 3. Kozmodrum 2. Sara Renar 1. Doringo
Cyprus (none)
Czechia 7. Votchi 6. Fox Territory 5. Modern Day Babylon 4. Face the Day 3. Postcards from Arkham 2. Diary of My Misanthropy 1. Kazachstán
It’s dinner time, so as I’ve finished my ABCs, it seems a good time to take a break. (Also, I count Different Light as a Maltese band, rather than Czech, before anyone queries their omission.)
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 11:29
^ There must be an overall Top 10 hiding in that long list somewhere.
I'm afraid I can't help you out with filling in the gaps, as I don't know any of those bands you mentioned. 
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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 13:49
1. Area 2. Premiata Forneria Marconi 3. Homunculus Res 4. Mats/Morgan Band 5. Magma 6. Supersister 7. Samla Mammas Manna 8. Can 9. Focus 10. Zao
I'm listening to new stuff all the time but Area being at #1 is unlikely to change
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 17:38
1. Homunculus Res2. Magma 3. Five-Storey Ensemble 4. Faun 5. Focus 6. Area 7. Klaus Schulze 8. Alio Die 9. The Gathering 10. Ulver
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Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 17:59
nick_h_nz wrote:
Help me fill the gaps, people! |
Ah yes, let me peruse my extensive list of classics from Azerbaijan and Bosnia & Herzegovina.
Lol. Seriously though, I'd be up for listening to some, I might have a bit of a search later on. 
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 20:00
1) Area 2) Magma 3) Universe Zero 4) Art Zoyd 5) Banco del Mutuo Soccorso 6) Stormy Six 7) Faust
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9) Can 10) Osanna
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 20:11
1. Logos 2. Ring Van Möbius 3. La Maschera di Cera 4. Apogee 5. Le Grand Sbam 6. Grimény 7. Blank Manuskript 8. Fren 9. Time Structure 10. Scherzoo
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 04:09
my list would resemble closest Ian's
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
tomorrow I could make a totally different list.
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Maybe I should wait until tomorrow then before I add your points on.  |
are you mocking me or are you not getting the point I was trying to make? |
I don't think he was doing the first , but we're a 150% sure he doesn't realize on the second.
Hrychu wrote:
That's a really really weird list. It only includes Germany and the Netherlands for some reason. I mean, we're talking European bands here. So I think stuff like RPI would count. |
As I said just above...  
nick_h_nz wrote:
Belgium 9. Scarved 8. dEUS 7. Echo Collective 6. Dominique Vantomme 5. The Wrong Object 4. Machine Mass 3. douBt 2. Aksak Maboul 1. Helium Horse Fly |
now that's an interestingly odd one  I've only heard 4 out of those 9
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 04:20
Spacegod87 wrote:
nick_h_nz wrote:
Help me fill the gaps, people! |
Ah yes, let me peruse my extensive list of classics from Azerbaijan and Bosnia & Herzegovina.
Lol. Seriously though, I'd be up for listening to some, I might have a bit of a search later on.  |
I have to admit I wasn’t really intending to work my way through the whole of Europe when I started with my ABCs. It was more a reflection that I think I would find it hard to compile a top ten favourite artists from any ONE country - let alone a grouping of more than 40 of the blighters! I’m genuinely surprised that people have so far been able to do so.
If I am ever to compile an overall top 10 favourite European bands (using the Brexit model that Paul has provided), this is honestly the only way I will likely be able to do it, though. In the same way that I was eventually able to work out a overall favourite list of albums from 2020, only after first working out nine lists of favourites vaguely grouped by genre, I can’t see my being able to work out an overall favourite list of European bands, without first working my favourites from each individual country.
So where did I get to....? Ah, yes, D...... 😜
Denmark - probably the first country that I actually have to narrow down to a list of 10? 10. Beyond Twilight 9. Cold Night For Alligators 8. The Interbeing 7. Anubis Gate 6. Town Portal 5. Mew 4. VOLA 3. Feather Mountain 2. Myrkur 1. Afenginn
Estonia 1. X-Panda
Finland - the first real challenge, with other 50 to choose from! 😱 10. Hallatar 9. Wheel 8. Karina 7. Superfjord 6. Pharaoh Overlord 5. Minutian 4. Mikko Joensuu 3. Pekko Käppi 2. Onségen Ensemble 1. Kairon; IRSE!
France - another biggie! 10. Igorrr 9. Gojira 8. Klone 7. Magnesis 6. Jean-Pierre Louveton 5. Grandval 4. The Daedalus Spirit Orchestra 3. Lazuli 2. Magma 1. Nemo
I guess if I stick to three letters of the alphabet at a time, now is a good time to stop. Georgia, Germany and Greece are next, and though Georgia will be easy, the next two are two more biggies, with a long list to narrow down from.....
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 04:25
Sean Trane wrote:
nick_h_nz wrote:
Belgium 9. Scarved 8. dEUS 7. Echo Collective 6. Dominique Vantomme 5. The Wrong Object 4. Machine Mass 3. douBt 2. Aksak Maboul 1. Helium Horse Fly |
now that's an interestingly odd one  I've only heard 4 out of those 9
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Given that four of them are connected by one person, it’s tempting to guess that the four you’ve heard of are Vantomme, The Wrong Object, Machine Mass, and douBt - but it’s hard to imagine someone not having heard of Aksak Maboul (apart from Paul - obviously), which leaves me wondering.....
So, what are the four you’ve heard of? 🤗
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 04:48
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
tomorrow I could make a totally different list.
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Maybe I should wait until tomorrow then before I add your points on.  |
are you mocking me or are you not getting the point I was trying to make? |
No, I wasn't mocking you, but I think you like to take offence when no offence was intended. 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 05:02
nick_h_nz wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
nick_h_nz wrote:
Belgium 9. Scarved 8. dEUS 7. Echo Collective 6. Dominique Vantomme 5. The Wrong Object 4. Machine Mass 3. douBt 2. Aksak Maboul 1. Helium Horse Fly |
now that's an interestingly odd one  I've only heard 4 out of those 9
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Given that four of them are connected by one person, it’s tempting to guess that the four you’ve heard of are Vantomme, The Wrong Object, Machine Mass, and douBt - but it’s hard to imagine someone not having heard of Aksak Maboul (apart from Paul - obviously), which leaves me wondering.....
So, what are the four you’ve heard of? 🤗 |
Maboul, Mass, TWO, dEUS.
Didn't know of Vantomme and douBt being TWO-related.
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
tomorrow I could make a totally different list.
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Maybe I should wait until tomorrow then before I add your points on.  |
are you mocking me or are you not getting the point I was trying to make? |
No, I wasn't mocking you, but I think you like to take offence when no offence was intended.  |
PeePee,
What
Cristi was saying (IMHO) is that he wouldn't be making the exact same
list twice if he did one per day during a whole year, because his tastes
and opinions vary every day.
How hard is that to understand? 
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 05:54
1 Art Zoyd
2 Can
These two are head and shoulders about everything else really. Actually it's hard to differentiate between them and I'd say Can is top including the solo work, but Art Zoyd is top taking just what was released under their name.
3 Amon Düül II 4 Gong (incl. Pierre Moerlen's Gong)
5 Tangerine Dream 6 Kong
7 Sonar 8 Jaga Jazzist 9 iamthemorning
10 Univers Zero
Bubbling under: Area, Magma, Sigur Ros, Novalis, Kraan, Samla Mamma's Manna, Eloy, Anekdoten...
And of course the question is for bands, so I won't nominate Björk, Luciano Cilio, Holger Czukay, Asmus Tietchens, Didier Malherbe etc.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 06:20
Sean Trane wrote:
nick_h_nz wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
[QUOTE=nick_h_nz]Belgium I've only heard 4 out of those 9
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Given that four of them are connected by one person, it’s tempting to guess that the four you’ve heard of are Vantomme, The Wrong Object, Machine Mass, and douBt - but it’s hard to imagine someone not having heard of Aksak Maboul (apart from Paul - obviously), which leaves me wondering.....
So, what are the four you’ve heard of? 🤗 |
Maboul, Mass, TWO, dEUS.
Didn't know of Vantomme and douBt being TWO-related. |
Michel Delville plays for them all. Also The Gödel Codex - and probably more. In fact, almost certainly more. I’m yet to not love anything that Michel Delville has put his nimble fingers to.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 09:15
1. Eloy (Germany)2. Kayak (Netherlands) 3. Tangerine Dream (Germany) 4. PFM (Italy) 5. Lazuli (France) 6. Fish on Friday (Belgium) 7. Aphrodite's Child (Greece) 8. Riverside (Poland) 9. Opeth (Sweden) X. Patrick Moraz (Switzerland)
probably the last one doesn't count as Moraz is obviously not a band but rather an artist. Also I assume its not a necessity that they sing in their own language 
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Posted By: Arcturion
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 10:19
10: PFM 9: Anglagard 8: Gazpacho 7: Leprous 6: Banco del Mutuo Soccorso 5: Wobbler 4: Pain of Salvation 3: Beardfish 2: Riverside 1: Opeth
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 10:56
Hi,
This is a very difficult thread to post an actual answer ... and the main reason why is that the newer bands from the past 10 to 20 years will suffer, because they do not have the catalog that the rest of these bands have that make them outstanding and very much a very special listen.
With that said ... I really hate to discuss the "top" 4 ... but they are fairly obvious.
Tangerine Dream (because their live DVD's show how exceptional of a group they were under the direction of Edgar Froese!!!!)
Klaus Schulze (for being himself, when every one did something that was just the same all around.)
Amon Duul 2 Can
The next group ...
Magma Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (and to think that Giacomo was what the band is about .. .have you heard Transiberiana? Shame on you!)
Gong/Daevid Allen/Gilly Smith (all versions to the end!)
Ange (sad that we can not listen to them and appreciate the great material they created specially in the first 7 albums ... and they are still going!)
PFM (still going and I do miss their very early melodies, vocals and far out instrumental style music, instead of rock song music.)
Ash Ra Tempel/The Cosmic Couriers (I miss these improvisational excursions ... they were fantastic even if some think that a Galactic boogaballoo is too silly ... or something similar. The fact remains that their history is insanely creative and very original.)
Aphrodite's Child (I'm not sure that many of us can handle their great big album, specially when compared to their early pop material ... but the change and the compositional style is awesome and deserves more attention although I think that one musician would likely wet ... none of that ... he would not like it!)
Focus/Kayak/Alquin ('nuff said!)
There are others I would like to include, like RTF and Mahavishnu Orchestra ... and both deserve to be listed, but I have a few things far more exciting to my mind ... than their music, that while fantastic, sometimes is a bit too much about the individual show off than it is about the music itself, though they integrate it well in general!
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 11:09
moshkito wrote:
This is a very difficult thread to post an actual answer ... and the main reason why is that the newer bands from the past 10 to 20 years will suffer, because they do not have the catalog that the rest of these bands have that make them outstanding and very much a very special listen. |
Obviously this is a personal thing, so while I completely understand where you are coming from, I generally find that as much as I love the classic bands, I seem to tend to favour the newer ones.
For example, since I’ve posted my lists for Finland and France, I love bands like Haikara and Tasavallan Presidentti from the former, and Ange and Mona Lisa (to name just two from each country), but none of those made my lists. I suspect as much as I love so many of the great bands from the classic era of RPI, I’ll likely still favour newer bands. 🤷🏻♂️
I do find it very hard, though, at times to compare/rank between new bands and old - the same way I often find it hard to compare/rank between bands from different genres.
Add those difficulties to not just choosing my favourites from one country, but from (almost) all of Europe, and it’s no wonder it seems an impossibility to me.
But, as I say, this is obviously a personal thing, because plenty of people seem to be managing to do so.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 02 2021 at 08:11
nick_h_nz wrote:
... Obviously this is a personal thing, so while I completely understand where you are coming from, I generally find that as much as I love the classic bands, I seem to tend to favour the newer ones. ... |
Hi,
Not really personal because there are a lot of modern things I am listening to ... but my only concern was the amount of work done, since one album or two is not enough of a "story" of what the band is about.
Yes, there is a problem here ... we can applaud Mozart and Beethoven and whatever because their history is incredible in terms of amount of work, but a band that had one album is never going to get the track record (yet!) that will allow them to stand up, even if they deserve it ...
I wish there was a way to vote "equally" so that these things would not be SLANTED like the top bs list that we have with one band having 6 albums in there ... and other bands deserving that have none! That is something that does not say ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about any music ... all it says is that the popular vote is en force and it shows that many folks have heard those 6 or 7 albums but they will never bother to give a complete listen to that one album that is not on the list ... and that's the part that hurts ... just like actors in theater and film, there are about 80% of all folks in acting out of work ... and their chances? Minimal! And the same for a lot of newer things.
nick_h_nz wrote:
... I do find it very hard, though, at times to compare/rank between new bands and old - the same way I often find it hard to compare/rank between bands from different genres. ... But, as I say, this is obviously a personal thing, because plenty of people seem to be managing to do so. ... |
I have "no country". Born in one that I really have no connection to, went to another that was not that great except for its music, and then came to America. I'm probably as American as anyone else. My choices don't have anything to do with country, I don't think, although some will say that I obviously like the German contingent, but with all due respect, they even had schools of music TEACHING what I call "nothing in music" to get people to go away from the "westernized concepts in music" (as CAN stated in their website) ... so that they would have found/created something new. The other countries did not EXACTLY do that ... France and Italy electrified what they had, with (maybe!!!) folks like PFM, Banco and Le Orme taking a more classical way of looking at music than just a rock song, and in France, they continued their cabaret style of material with expressionism at the very front ... and it was very theatrical and fun, and seeing Ange pay tribute to one of their heroes in the first album, was also important and very neat ... but they knew they were going to be about their "lyric theater" ... not a song per se.
This is what is hard to compare ... some were not about the "song" like things are today, when the majority of folks are voting because of the songs they like, and too many of the newer bands, it has become about one or two songs, not the whole amount of music ... Dream Theater is a very good example ... and it's like ... you're kidding me ... the rest is crap? No it's not ... it's very well defined musically, even though the metal style has a tendency to hide everything. Other bands fit into the same mold.
I would have liked to put together a book on the German scene, but I think a lot of folks will not help me with it ... because I would be looking for painters, writers, musicians and other folks ... and thus the words of EF in that one krautrock special will get completely wasted ... because we not only do not listen to things anymore (just our favorites!) and we do not read anymore ... just the Cliff Notes variety in Wiki ... if that! I built the ideas I have from many films, many books, many plays, many writers and many film makers ... many of which were right next to the musicians ... and this type of "collusion" is what centers my tastes ... the arts coming together and they are meaningful for that time and place ... whereas, for example, ANGE is not as meaningful to the time and place they were at, as most of the Germans were ... however, they could have been making a comment about the "harlequins" as the hippies on the street stoned immaculate and not bringing anything to the table ... a senseless expression!
None of the music, for me, is senseless, and it has a reason to be there ... and this is the reason why so many "songs" in the listings are not the measure of things, because otherwise things like Country Joe, Richie Havens, Creedence Clearwater Revival and many others ... would win those votes and tallies easily ... because many of the things after were very hollow by comparison.
All in all, "my generation" had a bunch of groups and artists that were valuable and important, and it was not about their "preferences" ... it was about what they did, and left behind ... an incredible history ... and this is what my opening comment is about ... I wish I had more from the newer bands, because I did not like to have to compare a new band to an old band. Why the fudge would I bother comparing Beethoven to Stravinsky ... ? What's the point?
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: January 03 2021 at 07:35
wobbler vespero sonar jean michel jarre tangerine dream gong lizard nil kotebel
fromuz
The results of this "poll" will be interesting. With the field so wide open, everyone will have completely different lists. I think you will have a bunch of bands all clumped together in the 30-35 point region, with maybe a couple that exceed that. With the small sample size you'll get from PA members, and the wide open field of choices, even though you will ordain a "winner", it will not be statistically significant.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 03 2021 at 07:39
Looking at the voting so far, I think Tangerine Dream is going to win, with Can a close second, especially after I gave Tangerine Dream a good head start by putting them in first place.
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Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: January 03 2021 at 10:05
Univers Zero Anekdoten Ulver Landberk Tangerine Dream PFM Enslaved Celeste The Gathering Opeth
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 03 2021 at 11:16
Top ten based on what? I choose based on what I like not sales or fame.....hard to even rank them.
PFM Eloy TD Wobbler Amon Duul2 Motorpsycho Supersister Agitation Free Pulsar Grobschnitt
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: January 04 2021 at 02:42
dr wu23 wrote:
Top ten based on what? I choose based on what I like not sales or fame |
I'm pretty sure that's what everyone in this thread has been doing
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 04 2021 at 02:59
Mirakaze wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Top ten based on what? I choose based on what I like not sales or fame |
I'm pretty sure that's what everyone in this thread has been doing
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Exactly. If my Top 10 was based on sales and fame, then Tangerine Dream would be the only band remaining in my Top 10. 
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Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: January 04 2021 at 04:13
Riverside Leprous Pain of Salvation Motorpsycho
Ihsahn
The Flower Kings
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 04 2021 at 10:00
It's taken quite a while to total up the points and this is how the Top 10 looks so far:- 1. Tangerine Dream (135 points) 2. Magma (92 points) 3. Univers Zero (77 points) 4. PFM (74 points) 5. Area (66 points) 6. Wobbler (63 points) 7. Anekdoten (55 points) 8. Amon Dull II (54 points) 9. Riverside (50 points) 9. Eloy (50 points) 11. Can (48 points) 12. Art Zoyd (46 points)
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 03:52
Nice to see Tangerine Dream with a stratospheric win here, although I'm surprised Can can't even find a place in the final Top 10. At least not yet anyway. I presume I canned Can's chances though by predicting a win for them.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 07:57
A roll call of honour - and a handy reminder - by way of saying thanks to everyone who's voted here so far. 
Arcturion Bruford Freak Dapper Blueberries Dr Wu 23 Enigmatic Geek Freak Gentle and Giant Grumpy Prog Fan Hector Enrique James Baldwin Lewian Mirakaze Moshkito Nogbad the Bad Octopus II Prog Aarvark Progmind Richard H Someone Else Wizz d Kidd
Don't forget, you can vote for as many *bands* from one country as you like, just so long as they're non-British - seeing as post-Brexit Britain is officially no longer part of Europe. 
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 08:07
Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso PFMCan Focus Triumvirat Eloy Tangerine Dream Wobbler Amon Duul2 Faust
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 08:45
Top 10 update with Octopus II's votes added:-
01. Tangerine Dream (140 points) 02. PFM (94 points) 03. Magma (92 points) 04. Univers Zero (77 points) 05. Wobbler (67 points 06. Area (66 points) 07. Can (63 points) 08. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (58 points) 09. Amon Dull II (57 points) 10. Eloy (56 points)
11. Anekdoten (55 points) 12. Riverside (50 points) 13. Art Zoyd (46 points) 14. Focus (35 points)
You can bank on at least one Italian band being in the Top 10 and it's a new entry for Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - which sounds like a secure place to keep your money in Italy. 
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 11:33
If I look at your all-time top 10 thread, the highest ranked two non-British European Bands are Magma and Can. We're not very consistent, are we?
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Posted By: enigmatic
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 11:45
1. PFM 2. Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso 3. Arti E Mestieri 4. Area 5. Amon Duul II 6. Focus 7. Supersister 8. Magma 9. Ange 10. SBB
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 12:12
Lewian wrote:
If I look at your all-time top 10 thread, the highest ranked two non-British European Bands are Magma and Can. We're not very consistent, are we?
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It would appear not. I voted for neither Can nor Magma even though I predicted a win for Can, although as things turned out, I Can't predict a win for anyone. 
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 12:32
Top 10 update with Enigmatic's votes added:-
01. Tangerine Dream (140 points) 02. PFM (124 points) 03. Magma (96 points) 04. Area (78 points) 04. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (78 points) 06. Univers Zero (77 points) 07. Wobbler (67 points) 07. Amon Dull II (67 points) 09. Can (63 points) 10. Eloy (56 points)
11. Anekdoten (55 points) 12. Riverside (50 points) 13. Art Zoyd (46 points) 14. Focus (41 points)
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 12:40
I can't really do this as I have so many favourites from Germany, Italy, France and Spain, not to mention Poland and the Nordic countries.
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Posted By: Dapper~Blueberries
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 12:44
1. Magma 2. The Flower Kings 3. Motorpsycho 4. Gazpacho 5. Wobbler 6. Iamthemorning 7. Opeth 8. Anglagard 9. Moon Safari 10. Leprous
------------- D~B
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 12:46
Dapper~Blueberries wrote:
1. Magma3. Motorpsycho 4. Gazpacho 5. Wobbler 7. Opeth 8. Anglagard 10. Leprous |
Great choices, I like these ones, too. 
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 12:53
Top 10 update with Dapper Blueberries' votes added:-
01. Tangerine Dream (140 points) 02. Magma (126 points) 03. PFM (124 points) 04. Area (78 points) 04. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (78 points) 06. Univers Zero (77 points) 06. Wobbler (77 points) 08. Amon Dull II (67 points) 09. Can (63 points) 10. Eloy (56 points)
11. Anekdoten (55 points) 12. Riverside (50 points) 13. Art Zoyd (46 points) 14. Focus (41 points)
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 13:07
I'll play.
Freak Kitchen (Prog in my book) Riverside Anti-Depressive Delivery Them Moose Rush ni Special Providence Ske Sympozion Yugen All Traps On Earth
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Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 13:21
1. Beardfish 2. Riverside 3. The Flower Kings 4. Wobbler 5. Anekdoten 6. Can 7. Eloy 8. PFM 9. TD 10. Gazpacho
------------- Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 03 2023 at 15:46
Top 10 update with Grumpy Prog Fan and Gentle and Giant's votes added:-
01. Tangerine Dream (143 points) 02. PFM (128 points) 03. Magma (126 points) 04. Riverside (90 points) 05. Wobbler (89 points) 06. Area (78 points) 06. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (78 points) 08. Univers Zero (77 points) 09. Can (69 points) 10. Amon Dull II (67 points)
11. Anekdoten (65 points) 12. Eloy (61 points) 13. Art Zoyd (46 points) 14. Focus (41 points) 15. The Flower Kings (35 points)
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 04 2023 at 09:04
Arcturion wrote:
10: PFM9: Anglagard 8: Gazpacho 7: Leprous 6: Banco del Mutuo Soccorso 5: Wobbler 4: Pain of Salvation 3: Beardfish 2: Riverside 1: Opeth |
I'm still not sure what to make of this reverse list. Is PFM at the top with 30 points or is Opeth at the top instead in first place? I'm confused, but then again, I'm easily confused at my age. 
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Posted By: Hector Enrique
Date Posted: November 05 2023 at 16:20
1. Riverside (Poland) 2. PFM (Italy) 3. Therion (Sweden) 4. Anglagard (Sweden) 5. Katatonia (Sweden) 6. Ayreon (Netherlands) 7. Mago de Oz (Spain) 8. Airbag (Norway) 9. Shamall (Germany) 10. Opeth (Sweden)
------------- Héctor Enrique
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 06 2023 at 11:01
Top 10 update with Hector Enrique's votes added:-
01. PFM (148 points) 01. Tangerine Dream (143 points) 03. Magma (126 points) 04. Riverside (120 points) 05. Wobbler (89 points) 06. Area (78 points) 06. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (78 points) 08. Univers Zero (77 points) 09. Can (69 points) 10. Amon Duul II (67 points)
11. Anekdoten (65 points) 12. Eloy (61 points) 13. Art Zoyd (46 points) 14. Focus (41 points) 15. The Flower Kings (35 points)
Tangerine Dream have finally been dislodged from their top spot. 
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Posted By: Moyan
Date Posted: April 07 2024 at 16:26
Indexi Triumvirat Premiata Forneria Marconi SBB Modrý efekt Korni Grupa Ange Island Leb i Sol Iceberg
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: April 07 2024 at 17:52
By the way Paul it's Amon Düül II, not "dull"...
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